18-09-2003 19:34									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Of course students should be allowed to create a Caucasian Club -- one of things about United States, is that people have the freedom to implement dumb ideas and put them into practice.

Most true statement that you have ever posted.

	18-09-2003 20:27									#32
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quote: Originally posted by rah Most true statement that you have ever posted.

Whoa!

I must be in the Twilight Zone or something to get this statement from a moderator, of all people.




So is this Caucasian Club suppose to protect those poor white people from unfair discrimination or something?

	18-09-2003 20:30									#33
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It's stupid, but they should have the right.

Anyone that believes that this is anything but a political statement is probably a bit naive.

It's laughable that "A local NAACP leader says Lisa McClelland's proposed club smacks of racial division"

	18-09-2003 20:32									#34
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It's definitely a political statement, but what exactly are these whities protesting, if minority clubs welcome whites??

	18-09-2003 20:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger The Clan

And I object to MrFun's derogatory term 'whities'. Ban him!



Seriously though, I think social clubs based around race are never a good idea, whether for blacks, asians or whites. People should be socialising with each other independently of race. I think black people (for example) all hanging out together sets them apart as different, which is entirely contrary to the purpose.

On the other hand, if the club has a particular agenda, such as increasing the awareness of black issues, then fair enough. But then it shouldn't be restricted to black people - white people (or whomever) are perfectly capable of increasing awareness to black issues too. But they shouldn't be allowed to have fun.

So if the 'Caucasian club' has a purpose, such as campaigning against positive discrimination, then it is fair enough. If it is just somewhere to hang out and 'be white', no.

Incidentaly, I was once racially dicriminated against. I started dating an Indian girl (ie. ethically from India, not America) but her parents disapproved. They put her under so much pressure that eventually she dumped me (well that is what she claimed....).

	18-09-2003 21:01									#36
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Good.

	18-09-2003 21:05									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I'm sure if a Caucasian tried to join the Asian American club, the Latin American club or the African Student club they would be welcomed with open arms, right?

Let's see, I was in Hillel, North African and Middle Eastern Students (NAMES), the Asisan Club, the student Latino organization and I'm white and not-Jewish and not from the Middle East.

	18-09-2003 21:05									#38
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quote: Incidentaly, I was once racially dicriminated against. I started dating an Indian girl (ie. ethically from India, not America) but her parents disapproved. They put her under so much pressure that eventually she dumped me (well that is what she claimed....).

first-generation asians tend to be conservative and want their second-generation children to marry their own kind. second-generation asians tend not to care.

	18-09-2003 21:09									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed well, i suppose she could set up a caucasian club, but she needs a sexier name for it.

How about "Whites Only"?

	18-09-2003 21:09									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Incidentaly, I was once racially dicriminated against. I started dating an Indian girl (ie. ethically from India, not America) but her parents disapproved. They put her under so much pressure that eventually she dumped me (well that is what she claimed....).

Try dating a Greek some time.

	18-09-2003 21:15									#41
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I'm interested in why Boris would join, and MrFun would consider joining, a black student group? It doesnt make sense to me (aside from the party thing).

They have great parties. What other reason do you need.

If white folks want to start a white club, I say go for it as long as it is open to everyone. And as long as they have big Thanksgiving and Christmas party with lots of cheap booze and food.

The more clubs the better. When I was a poor university student, all the ethnic clubs kept me fed through most of December and January. Everyone would have a party celebrating some holidary. The door cover would be a couple of bucks and there would be tonnes of food and cheap booze. It was great.

	18-09-2003 21:26									#42
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quote: How about "Whites Only"?

well, i was thinking more along the lines of
Mostly White Association, or
"MWA".

	18-09-2003 21:28									#43
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theres so much racism in the US. that doesnt surprise me

	18-09-2003 21:31									#44
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 theres so much racism in the US. that doesnt surprise me

Coming from a nation of people that won't let their children marry or date anyone but other Greeks.

	18-09-2003 21:33									#45
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there arent many more beautiful in the outside world

	18-09-2003 21:39									#46
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If your tastes run to short, fat, and hairy, I suppose so.

	18-09-2003 21:40									#47
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baesides that fact, ive already explained to you my favorite commie that you are in contact with greeks from small villages etc. those are the people that migrate to elsewhere cause there are nojobs in their places of origin.
these people have very traditional ethics. however judging all based on them is not a good judge.
another factor is that greekamericans tend to be VERY pro free markets. maybe theysaw that t-shirt of yours and got off put

	18-09-2003 21:41									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Seriously though, I think social clubs based around race are never a good idea, whether for blacks, asians or whites. People should be socialising with each other independently of race. I think black people (for example) all hanging out together sets them apart as different, which is entirely contrary to the purpose. On the other hand, if the club has a particular agenda, such as increasing the awareness of black issues, then fair enough. But then it shouldn't be restricted to black people - white people (or whomever) are perfectly capable of increasing awareness to black issues too. But they shouldn't be allowed to have fun. So if the 'Caucasian club' has a purpose, such as campaigning against positive discrimination, then it is fair enough. If it is just somewhere to hang out and 'be white', no.

I agree with in that minority clubs should never exclude whites.

But I disagree with your "positive discrimination" concept.

	18-09-2003 21:43									#50
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If your tastes run to short, fat, and hairy, I suppose so.

if jealousy could move things, it could move mountains

	18-09-2003 21:46									#51
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It's true. I wish I had more body hair. Then I'd look like my Italian forefathers, instead of this hairless American Indian body I have.

	18-09-2003 21:49									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I'm sure if a Caucasian tried to join the Asian American club, the Latin American club or the African Student club they would be welcomed with open arms, right? It would go over just a bit better then Hillel going to a Muslim Alliance meeting.

In my school, Everyone who wanted to participate was welcome in every ethnicity/culture/religious/gay&lesbian/etc club. Maybe my school was just lucky.

Anyway, so long as the club isn't used to promote racism (or condone those who do, like whoever did the noose, etc) I think it's fine.

	18-09-2003 21:49									#53
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you're funny

just dont go eat human hearts like your ancestors did

	18-09-2003 21:52									#54
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's true. I wish I had more body hair. Then I'd look like my Italian forefathers, instead of this hairless American Indian body I have.

Paiktis probably has enough to spare.

	18-09-2003 21:54									#55
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besides the tendency of "blonder" people to bemore hairy than darker people, i dont see why you brag about your hairless indian body.
i can see why, badly, they refused their daughter though. its one thing not being a bear its another not being a slug

	18-09-2003 21:59									#56
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I think some of you are overreacting. We're not talking about a bunch of middle-aged pea-brained reactionaries forming a white supremacy club here. We're talking about a group of adolescents trying to fit in at high school.

Those of you who have spoken out against this 'Caucasian Club' are forgetting what it was like to be age 14 or 15 and have the need to be attached with a certain group with whom you feel you share a lot in common. It is through such groups that these kids, particularly Freshmen, can feel less overwhelmed by the high school experience.

What if this high school's enrollment was 80% African-American? Would you still object to a Caucasian Club?

Having said that, within our high schools I don't think there should be a Caucasian Club. Or a Black Studies Club. Or Hispanic Club. Rather there should be one club which celebrates American culture and fosters understanding between all races. An "anti-racism " club. Leave the race-specific clubs to individual communities.

	18-09-2003 22:07									#57
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i didnt speak against it. it just strieks me as so funny that theres so much issues about racism in the us.
and manchester where park avenue or stewie lives. 40% of them are immigrants and they beat down on english because of their "racism"

just funny that's all

	18-09-2003 22:08									#58
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I like being politically incorrect but in such a cryptic and gentle manner so that I don't get spanked. Help me here, Boris.

	18-09-2003 22:09									#59
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I mean I know that "...you'll never go back" would be over the top. But I want to say something cute without really getting people mad.

	18-09-2003 22:12									#60
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There's nothing wrong with cultural clubs (how else am I supposed to get dinner? ) or religious clubs, but "race"-specific clubs seem pretty damn idiotic to me.