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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Actually, on the positions I've seen them take, Clark is more to the left that Dean. Dean isn't a left-wing candidate.
What no one seems to understand is that there is a huge section of the popultation that absolutely, caagorically, hates Bush. They despise him and curse the ground he walks on. Of the viable candidates, only Dean recognizes it and speaks to it. That is the secret to his success.
Lieberman is only in the Democratic party because he's Jewish, and only is getting anywhere right now because he has name recognition. Kerry is too patrician and trying to be too bi-partisan when the party base wants blood. They want to see a candidate stand up to Bush, and Kerry hasn't.
Gephart gets it, but unless he is revived by Iowa, he's ot gonna go anywhere. He got rousing applause when he termed this President a miserable failure.
Clark is actually left of Dean. He openly calls himself a liberal and takes stances to the left of Dean. I have to wonder, however, to what extent the Democratic elite are behind Clark.
The elite are afraid of Dean, not because he's a loser. It's more than a year from the election. He doesn't need this handlers to tell him what he thinks (and then have them tell him the wrong thing  ). When he gives a speach, he breathes fire, not just at Bush, but at the spineless Democrats who have rolled over and pissed on themselves. Dean is a threat to them because he's activating the masses of Democrats who want to take back their party.
Unlike every other candidate (with the exception of Clark), Dean has a movement behind him. His campaign is democracy in action. and that scares the elites, because they don't like democracy any more than the Republicans do.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:31
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, on the positions I've seen them take, Clark is more to the left that Dean. Dean isn't a left-wing candidate.
What no one seems to understand is that there is a huge section of the popultation that absolutely, caagorically, hates Bush. They despise him and curse the ground he walks on. Of the viable candidates, only Dean recognizes it and speaks to it. That is the secret to his success.
Lieberman is only in the Democratic party because he's Jewish, and only is getting anywhere right now because he has name recognition. Kerry is too patrician and trying to be too bi-partisan when the party base wants blood. They want to see a candidate stand up to Bush, and Kerry hasn't.
Gephart gets it, but unless he is revived by Iowa, he's ot gonna go anywhere. He got rousing applause when he termed this President a miserable failure.
Clark is actually left of Dean. He openly calls himself a liberal and takes stances to the left of Dean. I have to wonder, however, to what extent the Democratic elite are behind Clark.
The elite are afraid of Dean, not because he's a loser. It's more than a year from the election. He doesn't need this handlers to tell him what he thinks (and then have them tell him the wrong thing ). When he gives a speach, he breathes fire, not just at Bush, but at the spineless Democrats who have rolled over and pissed on themselves. Dean is a threat to them because he's activating the masses of Democrats who want to take back their party.
Unlike every other candidate (with the exception of Clark), Dean has a movement behind him. His campaign is democracy in action. and that scares the elites, because they don't like democracy any more than the Republicans do. |
I agree Che... Clark has taken a lot of "left" positions and is definitely more "left" than Dean. The more liberal party base likes Dean better because, as you said, he's been much more critical of Bush.
Bush will lose... there's no doubt in my mind. It's just a question of who will beat him. Personally, I am favoring either Dean or Clark... Dean I think will do a better job working on health care and purging the Democratic party of special interests and party elites... Clark will be more like Clinton, is probably better suited for our foreign policy and economic issues, but he is part of the whole "Clintonian wing" and will listen to special interersts. I'd probably prefer Dean because he's an outsider and has gotten most of his money from activists and "common folk" while Clark's campaign is probably being run by the Clinton people.
I think Kerry has an outside chance of winning the nomination, but it's probably going to be Dean or Clark.
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Edan
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I will vote for Bush, but it will be interesting to see who get as his Veep... |
IIRC, Bush said a while ago that he's keeping Cheney as VP (which seems like an odd decision, to me)
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Edan
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I don't like Bush, I cannot stand Dean. I'm not sold on Clark since he's only just entered the race and hasn't made his case yet. Of the remaining frontrunners (Kerry, Lieberman and Gephardt) I'm ok with all of them, although I prefer Kerry the most.
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24-09-2003 20:31
... is he a jew?
Mofioso for life!
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