24-09-2003 22:33									#1
	Damn those Telemarkerters!!! Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

How the hell do I get rid of these bastards now, they are annoying? I just want to reach through the phone and strangle them!

quote: Court Rules Against Do-Not-Call Registry By JENNIFER L. BROWN, Associated Press Writer OKLAHOMA CITY - A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission overstepped its authority in creating the national "do-not-call" list against telemarketers. The ruling Tuesday came in a lawsuit brought by telemarketers who challenged the list of 50 million people who said they do not want to receive business solicitation calls. The list was to go into effect Oct. 1. U.S. District Judge Lee R. West said the main issue in the case was "whether the FTC had the authority to promulgate a national do-not-call registry. The court finds it did not." House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., said Wednesday they were confident the ruling would be overturned and believe Congress did give the FTC the necessary authority. "We will continue to monitor the situation and will take whatever legislative action is necessary to ensure consumers can stop intrusive calls from unwanted telemarketers," they said in a joint statement. Calls to the FTC were not immediately returned Wednesday. Direct Marketing Association Inc., one of the plaintiffs, said it was happy with the ruling, even though it "acknowledges the wishes of millions of U.S. consumers who have expressed their preferences not to receive telephone-marketing solicitations — as evidenced by the millions of phone numbers registered on the FTC list." The suit was filed by DMA, U.S. Security, Chartered Benefit Services Inc., Global Contact Services Inc. and InfoCision Management Corp. The telemarketing industry estimates the do-not-call list could cut its business in half, costing it up to $50 billion in sales each year. More than a dozen states with do-not-call lists planned to add their lists to the national registry this summer, the FTC said. Telemarketers would have to check the list every three months to see who doesn't want to be called. Those who call listed people could be fined up to $11,000 for each violation.

	24-09-2003 22:36									#2
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I agree. **** THE TELEMARKETERS. **** THEM ALL.

What's next? State-level do-not-call lists ruled as an abuse of government power against the oh-so-innocent telemarketers?

Gatekeeper

	24-09-2003 22:42									#3
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I suggest you search "Tom Mabe" on google, and your favourite file sharing application.

	24-09-2003 22:43									#4
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They went to a friendly court. The chances of this ruling not being overturned on appeal are about zero.

There is no "free speech" right to telephone residences of people who don't want to be bothered, and the Congress gave the FTC the statutory authority for the list.

	24-09-2003 22:45									#5
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Then I guess all "No Soliciting" signs and "No Trespassing" signs should be ignored too... What a dip-sheit decission, is this Judge West on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals or all judges just out right stupid?

	24-09-2003 22:48									#6
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Can we reroute all our telemarketing calls to this judge?

	24-09-2003 22:49									#7
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It's a judge from one of the FDC's in Oklahoma.

	24-09-2003 22:49									#8
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I hope the ruling is overturned. Then Uncle Sam can send the bill for a frivolous lawsuit to the DMA. Pieces of crap telemarketers. No one forced me to sign on to the federal do-not-call list. I signed on voluntarily, and now the DMA dares to question my decision by making a side run around me and whining about the feds?

Gatekeeper

	24-09-2003 23:00									#9
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See! This is what happens when judges become activists! Down with activist judges! Off with their heads!

	24-09-2003 23:14									#10
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This better get overturned.

-Arrian

	24-09-2003 23:18									#11
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It's possible Congress will simply pass a law, since they saw how popular this program by the FTC was with the American public. While the judge may find that the FTC doesn't have the authority to make those kinds of rules (and he may be technically correct, I don't know the law), the Constitution gives Congress the authority to make such laws.

	24-09-2003 23:42									#12
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quote: The telemarketing industry estimates the do-not-call list could cut its business in half, costing it up to $50 billion in sales each year.

huh????
Telemarketing industry expects to make sales to people that dont want to buy? There seem to be some outstanding clever managers in the telemarketing industry! I doubt that everyone on the list would bring in $1000 in sales.

ata

	24-09-2003 23:43									#13
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Well consider that possibly out of every 500 calls you get, one might interest you.

	25-09-2003 00:01									#14
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The list is so popular than even is the FTC is found to have oversteped its bounds, then congress will simply pass legislation for it, likely with some punitive extra for revenge on the industry.

	25-09-2003 00:46									#15
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So you'd listen to all 500 calls?

I would just hang up at the first smell of a telemarketing call.

	25-09-2003 00:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa huh???? Telemarketing industry expects to make sales to people that dont want to buy? There seem to be some outstanding clever managers in the telemarketing industry! I doubt that everyone on the list would bring in $1000 in sales. ata

Telemarketers get paid based upon the number of calls they make, not how many products they sell. The companies who pay the telemarketers are the ones who make money on the products sold. Reducing the number of people who can be called will definitely reduce the earnings of telemarketing companies. However, it is not clear whether it will increase the success rate of those calls. Determining this would require several years of data. Until then, it would be hard to convince companies to pay the telemarketing companies more per call.

	25-09-2003 00:49									#17
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Telemarketers get paid based upon the number of calls they make, not how many products they sell.

Untrue.

	25-09-2003 00:54									#18
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Whenever I get a call from a telemarketer, I tell him that I will call back if I want anything. Of course I never do.

	25-09-2003 01:02									#19
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Havent you said this in the other thread aswell?

	25-09-2003 01:12									#20
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=97720

my post.

	25-09-2003 02:53									#21
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In my opinion, telemarketing should be on the same level as SPAM: Only legal if you specifically sign up for it.

I like opt-in more than opt-out. But that's just my opinion.

Asmodean

	25-09-2003 03:03									#22
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"Hello, I'm from Todd's Carpet Cleaners, and I was wondering if you would be interested in our new cleaning deal"
"Hey, man, thanks....can you get blood out of carpet?"
"Uh...yes, we can..."
"Ah, man, thank god, thank god. I got blood everywhere, it's all over the carpets, it's all over the couch, and the drapes...ah man it's everywhere"
"Well, can we do something to...help you?"
"Can you come over--okay, can you come over right now?"

thanks to Tom Mabe.

	25-09-2003 07:37									#23
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I wuz expecting a call from one of my ladies JUST NOW (like literally after reading this thread) and I get one of those b1tch asses calling me trying to sell me some credit card add ons.

	25-09-2003 07:42									#24
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

AARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

	25-09-2003 08:00									#25
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one word . . .

www.dontcall.gov

	25-09-2003 08:07									#26
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Hi (breathy sigh). So, what are you wearing?

	25-09-2003 09:12									#27
	Suffering from ads?

thats good pchang. Tho I tend to stay away from anything sexual... cause im a wuss.

Best thing you can do when you have time is continue talking with the telemarketter and sound awfully interested in this product, pretending to buy into all the marketting technique they are employing without really saying "Yes I would like to buy this product". and when they try to be sly and slip that "okay so Im gonna go ahead and take care of everything for you aka charge you now". Say "waot wait wait, let me ask you just one more question: Does this come with a free spoon? Well **** this then why did I waste my time?" and hang up.

	25-09-2003 09:16									#28
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Try to bring him into unrelated topics. See how much you can get him to reveal

	25-09-2003 09:20									#29
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Or spill ur (made up) personal problems at the telemarketter as if he/she was ur psychiatrist.

	25-09-2003 11:44									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Zero Or spill ur (made up) personal problems at the telemarketter as if he/she was ur psychiatrist.

You people put to much thought into this. Just tell them to hang on a second and put the phone down and leave it down.