14-11-2003 08:53									#31
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Sounds good.

	14-11-2003 23:11									#32
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quote: Togas, I'm pleased to inform you that the proposed deal worked out between yourself and my fellow Tabejin has been given approval. I do not know if you have the full text of the deal written up officially, but if you do not, I can write it up if you wish A feast has been prepared in celebration, and we are sure you will provide us with good weather for it! -ZargonX

	16-11-2003 14:12									#33
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Here's a PM of the tech trade form tabemono. They want us to "sign" it and send it back. Togas's signature should be enough.

quote: Tabemono-Sunshine tech trade: -Sunshine trades Writing to Tabemono for Mathematics immediately -Tabemo will trade Currency + 20 gold to Sunshine for Philosophy and Map Making once the involved techs are researched. Sunshine's 1 tech point IOU to Tabemono is considered payed by this trade. -Neither team can trade the techs acquired from the other -If a team gains one of the involved techs through another means (eg huts), the other part of the trade must still go through. Signed by Kloreep on behalf of Tabemono

	29-11-2003 04:39									#34
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From Kloreep:

quote: PTWDG II: Movement Tabemono asks that you please don't move Gary's Brother onto any roads that are outside our territory this turn (1425 BC), as we have a unit coming through. Thank you

	17-12-2003 01:50									#35
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quote: ZargonX, Greetings from Sunshinia! We are happy to let you know that we have Mapmaking and Philosophy. Please offer us Currency + 20g once you finish researching it. We are currently working on Construction. We also have Horseback Riding and Polytheism to trade. Please let us know if you'd like to work up any other trade agrements. We have one more request: Our warrior/scout "Gary's Brother" is trying to come home, but he will have to cross through Tabemono territory. We humbly ask that you allow him to cross through your territory so that he can come back and be reunited with his brother. Let's chat soon. --Togas

	17-12-2003 02:13									#36
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A reuninon? How sweet!

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chat with ZargonX:

quote: ZargonX2> Greetings from the Tabejin! Togas> hello neighbors ZargonX2> got your PM today ZargonX2> let me give you an ETA on currency... Togas> cool ZargonX2> should be 2 turns Togas> very good news ZargonX2> I will send a correction if I'm reading the chart wrong ZargonX2> as for having your unit move through ZargonX2> I need to address that issue to the team ZargonX2> but I will make sure we have a decision ASAP Togas> good Togas> we'll be willing to take a specific path if you'd like ZargonX> I'm sure we can work out something simple to get him home to his brother, Gary. ZargonX> Togas> Excellent. Those two haven't seen each other in more than a THOUSAND YEARS ZargonX> hehe... don't want to be guilty of pulling families apart.

	13-01-2004 21:55									#38
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from Unorthodox of Tabemono

quote: CC: Togas, Master Zen, OPD Greetings! I am sure you will be pleased to note that I have officially become far more active and will be taking more of a role in Tabemono diplomacy. As such, having looked over the current situation I now come before you to propose the FARE (Fog and Rebel Extermination) Pact. This is a plan to remove both Fog and, if needed, Barbarians from off of our shared shores. In this first stage, it will consist simply of the following proposal: Team Tabemono proposes a straight map for map trade. We openly let you know we are contacting all known teams on this trade as well. In addition, and in the interest of fairness, and as a service of convenience for you, we hereby offer to GIFT any additional terrain information gained as a result of trades from the other teams so that we will not be giving any one team a 'better map' than another, and we will all in the end have the same information. If this is indeed agreeable, please let me know, and we will be sending our map along with the next turn. If you prefer to withhold your map from the other teams, also let me know and we will comply with those wishes as well. If you do not wish to trade maps, also please let me know. Stages 2 and 3 will come later, and only if desired. Stage 2 would be a coordinated exploration of any remaining fog that all would benefit from. All such information would be gifted amongst the other teams that all would benefit. Stage 3 would be an option to coordinate troop placements specifically designed to either halt completely or to control where barbarian Uprisings will occur. I look forward to hearing from each of you, and hope to meet many times in the future as well On behalf of team Tabemono, UnOrthOdOx

	14-01-2004 02:47									#39
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An around the Continent map sharing deal...

Sounds good.

When I read the second line I thought they were going after MAST!

	15-01-2004 06:05									#40
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Map: Sounds like a very Sunny thing to do. Periodic gifting of our world maps until the continent is fully explored would be a good way to keep everyone's maps up to date.

Barbs: I don't want to totally prevent the barbs from appearing. Their camps can provide valuable income.

	15-01-2004 10:10									#41
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Barbs: there is NO way to keep down all of the barbs, there's just too much open land out there.

Maps: I agree. I'll send a PM to Tabemono saying that we are fully behind the group map trade project and will do our part.

--Togas

	15-01-2004 10:11									#42
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to Unortho:

quote: Unorthodox, Team Sunshine is very excited to get involved in this plan for a group map exchange, to cooperate on further exploration, and to keep down the coming barbs. Just let us know when and we'll send off our version of the map to everyone involved. --Togas

	27-01-2004 08:50									#43
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Chatted with Sharpe of Tabemono...

They'd like to chat with us soon.
They are interested in buying Construction. I offered it to them for Literature +50g. They're going to discuss that.
They would like to coordinate our efforts to reduce barbarian uprisings in the area between us. I told them to talk to HarryH about this.

They say that LL will finish Construction in 4-6 turns.

So far no barb uprisings. We are the first to the Middle Ages.

--Togas

	30-01-2004 11:01									#44
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quote: Togas, In response to the deal you had proposed to Sharpe the other night, I am pleased to say that we, the Tabejin, are in full agreement with it. The text is as follows: Sunshine agrees to provide the technology of Construction In Exchange: Tabemono agrees to provide the technology of Literature and 50g In Addition: Each team agrees not to resell either technology for 20 turns to any other team. Signed, Master Chef ZargonX Signed,

I told him we agreed to this.

--Togas

	30-01-2004 23:00									#45
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They sure got a good deal on Construction. I hope they realize this.

	02-02-2004 01:07									#46
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quote: Togas, The Tabejin would like to thank our Sunshiney friends for their cooporation in signing our recent tech deal. However, if they do not mind, we would like to ask them one more favor. If it is acceptable, would the people of Sunshine mind if we delay the trade one additional turn? The Tabejin would like to make sure we have everything in order before facing the massive barbarian unrest that will no doubt come when they learn how advanced the peoples of the world are becoming. Please let us know if this is acceptable to you. Thanks, Master Chef ZargonX

note: LL was going to finish Construction in a few turns and I mostly wanted to undercut them from selling it to Tabemono. We're also keeping up our rep as the friendliest team around so that when the sparks fly they fly between two of the other teams.

Note how Tabemono and LL are starting to build very close to each other with that northern isle. They are the two top teams on our continent, and with Tabemono's UU coming up, we could see a war in the next 20 turns or so.

--Togas

	05-02-2004 05:00									#47
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quote: Togas, Ironically, our turn player forgot to initiate the deal I would just like to humbly apologize, and assure you that we will send the goods next turn. If you want to initiate it on your turn, that would be great to, as that way no one can forget -ZX

	07-02-2004 11:30									#48
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Had a chat with ZargonX:

Summary:

Tabemono wants a MPP with us. Want us to get back to them soon about it. They're happy to also work out border issues as well.

quote: ZargonX> ok, two things: ZargonX> we sent our half of the deal this turn (finally), sorry for the delay ZargonX> and, secondly, the Tabejin, recognizing the friendship and mutual interests of our friends in Sunshinia ZargonX> would like to propose the development of an MPP, for the benefit of all Togas> What do you have in mind? ZargonX> well, first and formost, an agreement to come to each other's aid in times of trouble ZargonX> and to foster growth and sharing between our nations Togas> not a bad idea ZargonX> excellent Togas> We're not the most military minded team around, but we certainly would be in favor of somethign that promotes peace and cooperation ZargonX> that is what we too are looking for Togas> have you guys worked out how far south you're going to grow your empire? ZargonX> not anything formal; establishing a border could be discussed as part of the agreement as well, if you like. Togas> We definately should. We're wondering if you're going to go any further south of Hot & Sour ZargonX> Like I said, we haven't made any formal decisions yet, but these are definately issues we would like to work out with you ZargonX> there is an awful lot of nasty land between us ZargonX> and, as part of our agreement, we may be able to work out ways to assist you in clearing some of that jungle with our industrious workers Togas> Hopefully that won't be much of an issue. The land is pretty bad, but we've still got plans for some of the jungle just north of our city core ZargonX> just something to consider in the future Togas> that's something I think we'd really appreciate ZargonX> just don't tell team Monkey :shhh: Togas> Togas> I'll post a message in my team forum about this ZargonX> great! Togas> let me know if you guys have any specific conditions. We wouldn't be interested in any sort of an offensive alliance Togas> but we might go for a defensive one ZargonX> yes, understood. Togas> and we'd need to work up borders as a part of the deal ZargonX> we are also looking for a defensive one ZargonX> agreed Togas> Togas> Have you guys sent off the save yet? ZargonX> we probably won't be coming into the south much; we still have some other lands to work with that aren't quite as jungly ZargonX> yes, we did about a half-hour ago Togas> if not, can you offer WMs? We'll send you our WM. Barbarians are coming Togas> ah ZargonX> d'oh, sorry Togas> tiss OK. This barbarians uprising should be very entertaining ZargonX> heh, it's going to be a lively one, that's for sure Togas> how are things with you guys and LL? ZargonX> we haven't spoken much with them lately; MZ and WIA are hard to catch up with ZargonX> I think WIA has been without internet, actually ZargonX> and MZ is, well... MZ ZargonX> how about on your end? Togas> we almost never chat with them Togas> we've done a few trades, but that's about it ZargonX> they seem to be a very quiet team... ZargonX> whether that is by circumstance or choice, I'm not sure Togas> we're just trying to figure out if they're going to try to rush one of the other teams ZargonX> it's definately a possibility; and their silence doesn't deter that thought Togas> once someone gets Feudalism, their UU becomes 2nd best ZargonX> yes, the window is closing on it in the near future Togas> so we're just keeping our ears open and our scouts busy ZargonX> how are things with your crazy neighbors to the East? Togas> they've been very polite, actually Togas> they send us the save, and are always putting in some funny/friendly saying Togas> otherwise, not much. I've been meaning to chat with arnelos about border issues, but we always seem to talk about other things instead ZargonX> Togas> MAST is, strangely enough, mil weak to us, so that also makes us feel better. ZargonX> that's good; keeps things feeling a little safer Togas> but who knows what they're up to ZargonX> well, much like their namesake, I guess no one will find out until it's over Togas> I just want to see what happens when they go to war with someone (hopefully not us!) Togas> want to see their military reports, etc ZargonX> anyway, I've got to head to bed, and you probably want to get to your civ game ZargonX> if your team is agreeable to the idea, we should meet again in the next few days to work on the border and hammer out the final details Togas> I'll let you know ZargonX> great! Togas> hopefully soon Togas> take it easy ZargonX> and, once again the Tabejin thank you, and we look forward to friendly dealings with our southern, sunny friends! ZargonX> g'night! Togas> goodnight!

--Togas

	08-02-2004 02:50									#49
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Interesting. As I said in the summary thread, I think Tab will be the leading power on our continent in the Middle Ages. Having an MPP with them will foster good relations with them and make us safer. I will spend some time, probably on Monday, looking at the World Map to see what a border may look like.

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Here is something that just came to mind that we may want to discuss with other civs like Tab and that is about sharing contact and participating in mutual trades once the lost civs are found. They may not go for it as I believe this would benefit us more than them, but you never know. Basically, who ever makes contact will gift that contact to the other and when trade deals are arranged that both participate (i.e., we share the proceeds) possibly based on what each has researched.

If we do agree to an MPP we probably should agree to gift each other a WM at a periodic interval.

	12-02-2004 09:29									#51
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quote: ZargonX, My team has discussed this and we would be happy to join with our brothers in the north and form the Sunshine-Tabemono Defensive Pact. We want to stress that this is a purely defensive pact. Team Sunshine has no interest in wars. We do not wish to start any wars or get involved in any sort of foreign invasion. However, we understand and recognize that we must be prepared to protect our peaceloving party people, and we also recognize the right of the great Tabemono people to live in peace and harmony ... free from violence. We request that this pact only be activated in the most dire of circumstances ... when one of our cities is attacked. At that point the other team would declare war on the attacking nation(s) and do everything in its power to thwart any further acts of violence on the attacked nation. We think that, to be fair, this pact should be renewed every so often, but we don't see any reason to back out of it. A defense pact with the great Tabemono nation is something that we will treasure, not something that our peaceloving people would want to throw away. So let's set the renewals dates off a ways. We will be happy to include other terms and agreements in this pact. Just let us know. Let's formalize this pact soon and celebrate with a huge party for all of our people! --Togas

	12-02-2004 09:31									#52
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In future talks with ZargonX, I'd like to work out our eventual border and other terms like WM exchanges and sharing of contacts.

But I'd first like to get the MPP solidly in place as the foundation for our next stage of deals.

We'll "allow" Tabemono to explore and make contact for us while we REX, build wonders, and party in our happy place.

--Togas

	13-02-2004 09:47									#53
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chat with ZargonX regarding borders and MPP

summary:
We're pretty much agreed on the MPP and the border don't seem to be very complicated. Zargon asked for just southwest of Hot & Sour Soup, where the hills are -- draw an east-west line there. I pointed out that we wanted the interior of that jungle river. He's going to chat with his team but I get the feeling that we're not going to have a very big fight over that jungle real estate at this point in the game.

quote: ZargonX> Hey Togas! Togas> hello ZargonX> have a few minutes to discuss establishing a border as per our MPP agreement? Togas> let's ZargonX> ok, let me load up the map... Togas> ready ZargonX> ok, to begin... ZargonX> what were your initial thoughts on the line? Togas> hot & sour soup ZargonX> ok, we were thinking along those lines, but a few tiles south; to the split in the river that runs along Hot and Sour ZargonX> at that small knob of hills at the fork Togas> that'll probably work ZargonX> ZargonX> and from that point, a line drawn E-W? Togas> how about we take the hill that is 1-1 from the furs Togas> draw a line E-W from there. Togas> all of the tiles on that line and everything above it are yours ZargonX> ok, regarding the 1-1 point; what if we were to build a city there? ZargonX> would you consider the cultural border extension a violation? Togas> that's going to get very close ZargonX> ok, that's what I figured ZargonX> we can probably work something out based on that point, though ZargonX> I just need to check with the domestic guys; I'm just the military Togas> we'd like to build cities on the inside of that river ... of course, not any time soon but in the future ZargonX> right ZargonX> it's going to be a tough area to live in for a while Togas> yeah, not all that pleasant ZargonX> ok, I will take your proposal back to my team, and we'll get back to you tomorrow, probably Togas> our party people probably won't want to move there until the renovation crews do a little makeover ZargonX> heh, Monkey is going to be pretty upset with both of us if they catch us in the act of clearing that spot Togas> other than settling those incense next to your warrior, we don't really have plans to expand northward right now ZargonX> yes, you still have nicer lands available to you ZargonX> and the incense and iron are conveniently next to each other Togas> useful city spot for us Togas> we figure we'll need iron one of these days ZargonX> our warrior is just hanging around on barb duty right now, let us know if you need us to move him out Togas> I don't think he's in the way right now ZargonX> cool ZargonX> ok, well, I'm going to go play the Tabemono turn right now, since no one else on the team seems to have gotten it yet Togas> Cool. Let me know if you guys want to chat about anything else Togas> FYI, the barbs sprung up right next to MAST and caught them by surprise ZargonX> ah, was that the big decision they had to make? Togas> I think so. They emailed us asking for our help to try to kill a few barbs. I think one of their cities are in danger of being sacked and sacked and sacked ZargonX> that'll learn 'em to not be prepared Togas> We probably should have given them some warning about the coming middle ages ZargonX> heh, guess we must've forgotten to send that memo... ZargonX> as for the text of the MPP; defensive-only, no set time frame? Togas> Defense only. Our team is going with a Hippie Theme Togas> feel free to set the timeframe to whatever you like. The longer the better ZargonX> and we're going with an eating theme; and who has time for war when their is so much to be eaten? ZargonX> excellent

	25-02-2004 23:02									#54
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ZargonX left me a message saying that Tabemono still wants to negotiate the border, but they're having problems with LL settling in areas that they wanted to settle in.

Hopefully they won't use this as an excuse for more land from us.

Hopefully this will end up with Tabemono and LL in conflict. We'll send some units to help them but mostly just use the opportunity to help our growth.

--Togas

	02-03-2004 09:10									#55
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CHAT SUMMARY:

Signed NAP/MMP (40 turns) with Tabemono
Agreed to border
They discovered the other continent, will send map in a few turns.
They want to trade Feudalism for Monotheism
They want to offer their workers to help clear our jungle
They are worried about who LL will attack and think that it will be MAST. They want to be able to aid MAST too.
They have a harbor and can trade with us if we get one.

quote: Togas> what's the news from up north? Kloreep> We've made contact with the other continent Kloreep> As you probably know from my slip-up UnOrthOdOx> Thanks to me kicking these builders in the rear and proposing the galley set sail Togas> nice! UnOrthOdOx> Togas> anything you can share with team Sunshine? We've been discussing contact trading with them Kloreep> So you might have contact yourselves soon UnOrthOdOx> I have a personal question, Togas. UnOrthOdOx> About this game. Togas> sure UnOrthOdOx> Would Sunshine be interested in an extension of FARE? UnOrthOdOx> (Fog and rebel extermination pact) Togas> the pact is fine with us now. We'd be happy to extend it UnOrthOdOx> Extending it to the new continent, basically. Togas> hmm, that would mean we get your new maps of the other continent? UnOrthOdOx> That would be the plan. Togas> I think we'd happy agree to that Kloreep> One short issue we'd like to discuss: our warriors down south are pretty much useless UnOrthOdOx> There has been resistence over there so far, but I am hopefull Kloreep> Would you give us permission to bring one or more back through your borders? Kloreep> *one or both Togas> you may bring both through, that's fine Togas> just let us know where and when Kloreep> k Sharpe> We also were wondering if Sunshine would be interested in some sort of a Feudalism for Monotheism trade (admittedly Mono is 4 tech pts higher) Togas> we should have mono in @7 turns Togas> I'll post the offer with my team to see what they think Sharpe> k Kloreep> And that leaves the last issue for us: Sharpe> just a warning that there is a barb camp 6 or so squares W of Peace Pipes, but we are hopefully getting rid of it Kloreep> The MPP/border deal that's been collecting a little dust Togas> let's get that thing signed! Kloreep> Yes, that barb camp will hopefully be gone soon Kloreep> There may be a warrior wondering your way though Sharpe> what was the proposed border again? Togas> gotcha. We have Goody Hut Gary on a mtn nearby that region, taking care of stray barbs Togas> last time we were talking border, it was somewhere just south of hot & sour Kloreep> Yes Kloreep> One thing I wasn't clear on was what you meant by border though Kloreep> Do you mean the limit to settling cities, or the limit to cities' radii? Togas> yeah, we never quite worked it out. Here's my current thought, let me know what you think Togas> there's a river north of peace pipes Togas> that runs to a T junction, one end heads towards Hot & Sour, the other heads east Sharpe> yes Togas> at that T junction ... draw a east-west line Togas> we would make that the border and ask that no one settle next to that line, but we can't do much about culture. Kloreep> That line runs through tiles Kloreep> So neither party would settle on the tiles on that line? Togas> I think that would be fair, but if necessary, down the road, we can talk about it again. Kloreep> IE, 9-9-9 and 9-8 of Peace Pipes would be off limit to both of us? Togas> I think it'd be a good rule for us to use now. Togas> kloreep -- yes Kloreep> Looks good to me Sharpe> hmm, what about those LL cities - we might need adjustments to either side if they keep building cities Sharpe> in the east probably Togas> we'll see what happens with LL ... at some point they'll stop building cities and start trampling cities Sharpe> yeah, we have some intelligence they they are probably sending yet another settler westward Kloreep> If the border deal times out along with the MPP, then this probably won't be a problem Kloreep> We just make any needed adjustments at renegotiation time Togas> we can do that. Sharpe> yeah, the border deal sounds good Togas> can we agree tonight to border and MPP? Sharpe> our side can have a vote - 4 out of the 5 actives are in this chat Togas> Sharpe> that would be a NAP/MPP of course Kloreep> Heh, don't bring that up with a GoWer and RPer in the same chat j/k Sharpe> lol Togas> bah, that stuff is ancient history. UnOrthOdOx> eh. different game. Togas> very true. And unortho and I (and Kloreep) are together in team Mercenary UnOrthOdOx> Togas and I aren't the type to hold that against each other. Sharpe> what's Sunshine view on the LL situation right now? Kloreep> Yes * Kloreep looks at Zargon ZargonX> yeah, the only game I hold grudges in is Diplomacy ZargonX> I mean, I don't... Kloreep> Wasn't it Conmcb who was giving the Mercs a hard time? ZargonX> Kloreep> Togas> Sunshine is worried that LL is going to get offensive before everyone upgrades to Pikes. UnOrthOdOx> No, that's Dominae UnOrthOdOx> Mercs are fun. No enemies. Kloreep> Yep Togas> The merc team is one hell of a fun concept, and a great deal of fun. Sharpe> LL's western core does give them a launch point against both of us - plus they already have a launch point against MAST Sharpe> We agree that LL will likely go offensive soon - though they may wait until they get Leo's UnOrthOdOx> Togas, on the MPP. UnOrthOdOx> There is some concern that the "hostile action" is to vague/open to interpretation. Togas> no problem. Let's clear it up Kloreep> Err, wait UnOrthOdOx> For instance, should we preemptively attack a stack of LL legions. Kloreep> Have we sent the draft to Togas? UnOrthOdOx> We had a draft from them in the forum. UnOrthOdOx> Or in chat. Kloreep> I thought that was Zargon's? Kloreep> Togas and Zargon had a chat. They discussed details, but not wording ZargonX> I did send it a while ago, didn't I? Sharpe> how about "hostile intent" , I mean a stack of 20 Legions isn't approaching a border to say hello UnOrthOdOx> You said you did. Kloreep> Heh UnOrthOdOx> That's what I was going off. UnOrthOdOx> I don't beat around the bush, guys. Kloreep> UnO: np, just I'm not sure if Togas has seen the draft UnOrthOdOx> Go right to the issues, chats move quicker. Kloreep> Togas: Have you? Togas> I'm trying to find my draft to ZargonX ... :/ Togas> All I've posted, for some reason, was my PM to him with general terms Kloreep> All right... Kloreep> Here's a slightly revised draft in our correspondance/discussion thread: Kloreep> Let it be hereby declared that the glorious Tabejin and the fantastic people of Sunshine hereby agree to a defensive alliance for the mutual benefit and protection of all. Let the agreement stand by the following conditions: Kloreep> -If either nation is attacked by hostile forces, the other nation shall immediately come to their military aid. Kloreep> -If either Tabemono or Sunshine is the aggressor in a war, the other nation is not obligated to assist. Attacking foreign troops within your own borders counts as a defensive action, and not as "aggression," and thus would activate the MPP. Additionally, attacking troops outside of one's own borders may also be considered defensive if it is a situation where a foreign power has made their intentions clear, but is attempting to cause the othe Sharpe> send a Pm to Togas perhaps? Kloreep> -In addition to military aid, neither nation shall trade with the enemy of the other during times of war unless agreed upon by the other. Kloreep> -The Tabejin and Sunshine people agree to not take hostile action against each other. Kloreep> -There shall be a border between our nations created at (to be determined soon). Kloreep> -This agreement shall stand in place for 40 turns from the moment of signing. Kloreep> Let our two nations move forward in peace and prosperity! Sharpe> it cut off at "attempting to cause the othe" Kloreep> Yeah, same happens to me except when I'm the poster like this case Kloreep> I'll just send a PM, Togas Togas> that looks good Kloreep> Oh, you did get it all? Sharpe> Does Sunshine have an opinion who LL will "go offensive" against ? UnOrthOdOx> Togas, if it can be said, have you signed a similar deal with MAST? Togas> we have negotiated a peace pact and MMP with MAST, but have not finalized anything yet. UnOrthOdOx> Good. We are concerned for them, but not in a position to be able to send much in the way of aid. Togas> we're torn on who LL will attack. MAST seems to think it's them. I think it's more likely they'll come after Tab, as you guys are more of a long term threat. Togas> LL has no iron, no horses, and pretty lousey land. UnOrthOdOx> And has LL contacted you for the same? ie: have you signed MPP with all? Togas> makes them a good victim, but not a good prize. UnOrthOdOx> You mean Mast has non. Togas> haven't talked with LL in ages. Togas> Sorry, yes. Togas> I meant MAST UnOrthOdOx> These northern cities could act as either a defensive barrier to keep us from aiding MAST or as a jump point to attack us. Sharpe> true Uno UnOrthOdOx> Another Q. UnOrthOdOx> A proposal of mine that I haven't seen these builderers move on yet. UnOrthOdOx> We are considering a joint effort. UnOrthOdOx> I like to call it the "road to paradise" Togas> where would the road be? Kloreep> It would probably be the road to peace pipes now, but road to paradise sounds better

cont...

	02-03-2004 09:27									#56
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quote: Sharpe> though re blocking if Sunshine would be willing to build a city NE of Sunshina (or even E) it would give both Sunshine and Tabemono access to defend MAST if necessary UnOrthOdOx> Well, you've settled since I came up with it, it was going to paradise, but looks like peace pipes UnOrthOdOx> In the west, we could defend it from LL, thuse be able to trade with both SS and MAST in the event of hostilities. UnOrthOdOx> Or just trade in general, but it'll be safe whereas a western path, or harbors at this point would not be Sharpe> talking about trade , does Sunshine have a harbor for trade? Togas> the trade route would be good, but if you'll want access to MAST, you'll want to build something south-east, perhaps parallel to that river that forms the base of our T Togas> Sunshine needs a harbor ... soon UnOrthOdOx> Trading with MAST would be through SS. Kloreep> Togas: If you can get a harbor, we just got one UnOrthOdOx> You two are connected. UnOrthOdOx> Another idea that has occured to us. Sharpe> Friendship city is connected , but is Friendship city now connected to the Sunshine core? UnOrthOdOx> With the completion of the pyramids, we would be open to sharing our bounty. Togas> we are connected to MAST now UnOrthOdOx> IE, that's allot of jungle down there... UnOrthOdOx> We are open to the possibility of assisting in your improving on that jungle. Togas> we may take you up on that offer UnOrthOdOx> Sun doesn't get through the canopy from what I hear...that would be a shame. UnOrthOdOx> Team monkey will crucify us both. Sharpe> being industrious is nice - too bad it was weakened in C3C (though understandable) Kloreep> Yes, we can share both our granaries and our industriousness with you UnOrthOdOx> Keep in mind, everyone, WE cannot chop something in THEIR cultural boundaries. Togas> we're in no hurry to settle that jungle anyhow UnOrthOdOx> We can road, mine, whatever after, but CANNOT chop. Kloreep> True, UnO has a point Kloreep> Assuming it's settled Kloreep> If Sunshine can hold off on some of the sites, those can be chopped around beforehand UnOrthOdOx> Yes, just in cultural boundaries. We could potentially prepare some sites, though. Sharpe> well, re Monkey, we haven't met them yet Kloreep> But we could work out worker trades too UnOrthOdOx> stupid rules. Togas> keep us in mind with the worker trades or sales. Our growth was somewhat stunted by our plains start. Any additional worker help would be fantastic. UnOrthOdOx> re: Monkey we'll just have MAST deal with them. "There was no jungle, never" UnOrthOdOx> Alright, folks, it's time for me to seek the pillow. Togas> gotcha. Togas> Please PM me the treaty and I'll sign it and send it back Sharpe> Night Uno! Togas> and then archive it for my team Togas> I'll also post a chatlog of this chat. UnOrthOdOx> Looks good, look forward to teaming with Sunshine morei n the future. Togas> UnOrthOdOx> All that sun will grow our food! Togas> if you guys would send over the new WM, we'd be very happy UnOrthOdOx> We don't have one yet Togas. UnOrthOdOx> Or, we don't have the other continent yet. UnOrthOdOx> I'm gonna work on that, though. Watch the public forum... Togas> gotcha UnOrthOdOx> Night all.

	02-03-2004 09:28									#57
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Treaty signed after turn 104.

quote: Let it be hereby declared that the glorious Tabejin and the fantastic people of Sunshine hereby agree to a defensive alliance for the mutual benefit and protection of all. Let the agreement stand by the following conditions: -If either nation is attacked by hostile forces, the other nation shall immediately come to their military aid. -If either Tabemono or Sunshine is the aggressor in a war, the other nation is not obligated to assist. Attacking foreign troops within your own borders counts as a defensive action, and not as "aggression," and thus would activate the MPP. Additionally, attacking troops outside of one's own borders may also be considered defensive if it is a situation where a foreign power has made their intentions clear, but is attempting to cause the other side to strike first so that they will carry the burdens of having "started" a war. -In addition to military aid, neither nation shall trade with the enemy of the other during times of war unless agreed upon by the other. -The Tabejin and Sunshine people agree to not take hostile action against each other. -There shall be a border between our nations created at the hill NE-N (9-8) of Peace Pipes, and extending E and W (4 and 6) from there. The tiles on this line may not be settled on by either team, and Sunshine may not settle tiles north of it, nor Tabemono tiles south of it. -This agreement shall stand in place for 40 turns from the moment of signing. Let our two nations move forward in peace and prosperity! Signed, Kloreep for Tabemono Signed, Togas, Director of Friendly Relations, Team Sunshine

	18-03-2004 02:42									#58
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quote: PTWDGII Just to inform you, I have not forgotten about Sunshine. Negotiations for maps on the other continent have been rather more difficult than planned. Down right HOSTILE, in fact. However, there seems to have been a recent breakthrough and a full world map appears possible once again. I suspect that within a few days, we will be moving rapidly in a positive direction. Watch the public forum, I am only awaiting a technicality to come through before making a major announcement to all there, which will hopefully propell the full world map to becomming reality. -UnOrthOdOx

	18-03-2004 08:11									#59
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SUMMARY:
Tabemono is still trying to negotiate a WM for WM trade between the continents and has been declining our WM offers until it's resolved. They're presently negotiating contract trades too.

They would like to trade Feud for Monotheism. We have tentatively agreed that they'll give us Feud and 2 contacts for Monotheism.

They are worried about LL's vast expansion and somewhat hostile actions.

They'd like to hook up a trade route between us.

quote: Sharpe> Hey Togas, just thought Tabemono should let you know - we have been trying to get a world or territory maps exchanged with the other continent, so that is why we are not accepting the world map from Sunshine Togas> ah! Togas> ok, I'll post that to our forum Sharpe> k Sharpe> btw, seems like our LL neighbours are really pumping out settlers - they built 2 more this turn it seems Togas> hmm Sharpe> Sunshine might want to settle more north areas before LL takes them all (based from Tabemono's experience) Togas> going to settle the jungle? Sharpe> they seem to be grabbing all the territory they can get it seems Togas> we're going to settle our NE next Togas> it's in our agenda, just not TOO far Sharpe> well just don't want what happened to Tabemono re LL friendly settlement to happen to someone else Togas> are things getting tense between you guys? Sharpe> hard to say Sharpe> we sent out a couple of border units and they wondered what we were intending Sharpe> and our units were still either in our borders or just on the other side of them in neutral area , meanwhile they had 2 units leaning up on our border and they were wondering what WE were doing ? LOL Togas> Togas> it's funny, we've gotten used to units in and around our borders Togas> hardly think much of it anymore Sharpe> yeah, well we have also been seeing more and more units being moved to that western area by galley so we are a little wary Sharpe> and now they are connecting it by road Togas> hmmm Togas> do they chat much? Sharpe> no, that was the first time we had heard from them in a while Sharpe> btw, has Sunshine discussed that Feud for Monotheism proposal yet? Togas> I think we did briefly Togas> let me go check Sharpe> k Togas> hmm, nothing official Togas> we could trade mono for feud + WM Togas> since you're giving us the WM anyhow ... Sharpe> would you prefer contacts ? Togas> contacts would also be cool Togas> feel free to sell contact with us to other teams as a part of the trade Sharpe> actually we only have monkey to find now Togas> you only have contact with monkey so far? Sharpe> no, monkey is the only one we don't have contact with Sharpe> we have found CoD and Python Togas> nice Togas> how many contacts would you include? Sharpe> not sure we will have to discuss it - but I am sure we could make an arrangement to get both to you somehow if you want Togas> excellent So we'll trade Monotheism for Feudalism + 2 contacts? Sharpe> a bit of a bargain eh? Sharpe> we will see - I think that is the proposal so far but nothing finalized Togas> if it's too much, we can go to one contact Togas> however, feel free to sell contact with us to whomever you like Sharpe> no, personally I don't mind giving both in that trade Sharpe> we just haven't had a formal vote on the trade yet Togas> gotcha Sharpe> we were originally trying to trade yours and MAST contacts for Monkey but Python and CoD don't want to do that Sharpe> btw, do you have a harbor yet? Togas> interesting Togas> we need to build a harbor Sharpe> k - we just finishing linking up Hot and Sour (our most southern city) by road and we were wondering whether we should start roading a trade route or not Togas> how many tiles would that be? Sharpe> hmm let me check Sharpe> well we are assuming that you are probably roading your iron soon Togas> yep Togas> I'd like to see a harbor go up soon, but our domestic guy doesn't seem to have that as his priority at the moment Sharpe> there is 3 squares between us and we have 1 square to road in our city Togas> 3 squares isn't bad at all Sharpe> it is if it is jungle or hills Togas> we could road up to the river Sharpe> hills are slightly faster for roading I think Sharpe> than jungle though I am not certain re that Togas> anyhow, I'm going to post and demand we start a harbor soon, but until then, it would be wise of us to get a Sunshine-Tabemono road into gear Sharpe> k Sharpe> admittedly it was easier for us with our half price harbors Togas>

	22-03-2004 09:48									#60
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Summary:
Next turn we get WM and contact with Python and Cake or Death.
For some mysterious reason, we are not being given contact with Monkey.
They have NO IRON on their continent.
There will be some public "surprise" post by Tabemono in the forum in a day or two.
Everyone will have the maps, it seems, after next turn, and it sounds like Unortho is going to make some sort of public map post.

quote: UnOrthOdOx> I'm keeping this brief, but we have given you contact to both Python and Cake or Death. Togas> saw it last turn Togas> UnOrthOdOx> We will be sending an updated map along next turn as well. Togas> what the story on those guys? UnOrthOdOx> Part of this deal, though, means we cannot trade you Monkey contact. Togas> how bizzare UnOrthOdOx> But, you will be getting a full map of their entire island so can make that contact yourself. UnOrthOdOx> The other island no longer has a single source of Iron. Togas> I'm sure one of them will try to sell it to us Togas> ?? Togas> they don't have iron?? UnOrthOdOx> nope. Togas> wow Togas> oughta send LL over there to conquer them Sharpe> and only 2 horses , one of which is on an island Togas> we're swimming in resources over here Sharpe> for now UnOrthOdOx> They have been all together difficult reguarding maps and contacts until most recently. UnOrthOdOx> Sorry for lack of updates, but I've been pressing Arrian for both and it finally paid off. UnOrthOdOx> Provided the no monkey contact, that is. Togas> why that condition? Togas> do they not want Monkey to trade with others, or do they want to sell Monkey themselves? UnOrthOdOx> I'm not allowed to tell that either. Togas> bizzare UnOrthOdOx> They have their reasons. Togas> what do you think of their situation? Are they crowded over there? Sharpe> my suggestion would be : guess UnOrthOdOx> Not TOO crowded IMO, there is certainly room for growth for some teams, but not others. UnOrthOdOx> Lots of jungle over there too, ironically UnOrthOdOx> You'll see that soon. Togas> gotcha Sharpe> err what? UnOrthOdOx> ? Togas> have you played the save yet? UnOrthOdOx> I'm not sure, just got on. UnOrthOdOx> sharpe, we played? Togas> your warrior in our territory. He needs to move 4, then move 8 the rest of the way out Sharpe> k thanks Sharpe> we played 410 Kloreep|idle> You're the last one to play, Togas UnOrthOdOx> So, it'll be 400 we'll send the new map. Kloreep|idle> It still needs to go around the other 4 teams back to us UnOrthOdOx> Sorry, I wasn't around to issue that order for 410. Togas> gotcha * Kloreep|idle is now known as Kloreep UnOrthOdOx> So, we're set for a Monotheism/Feudal trade, right? UnOrthOdOx> I've been a little behind on that negotiation. Togas> right Togas> we'll have mono in 2 turns UnOrthOdOx> Cool, I think that's it. Watch the public forum, I'll have a nice surprise starting tomorrow morning, and Teusday night will probably have a BIG surprise. Sharpe> it might be an idea to have another chat after Sunshine looks at the new map UnOrthOdOx> I may just beat the save to that... UnOrthOdOx> Teusday night, that maps' going to be very public. Togas> After we see the map, we should have another chat Togas> also, should we NOT give this map to MAST? Togas> we've been trading them WM every now and then for barb hunting UnOrthOdOx> I'll be giving it to them as well. Togas> ok Sharpe> we have a suspicion that LL may already have the map UnOrthOdOx> We traded "your" map, it's only fair. Sharpe> but we will try to find that out for sure ... Togas>