26-03-2004 23:18									#61
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We have gone a couple of turns past 410 and we still do not have the map.

Reading between the lines:

quote: UnOrthOdOx> The other island no longer has a single source of Iron.

and

quote: UnOrthOdOx> Provided the no monkey contact, that is.

Sounds like they had a single source of iron that that continent (I would be surprised if a continent large enough for 3 civs had NO iron to start with) and that one source of iron vanished. I am guessing that MP or CoD had the iron and started a war with Monkey to use their iron advantage. That would explain the no-contact with Monkey and why the turns over there suddenly slowed down a few weeks ago.

	06-04-2004 21:17									#62
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quote: Unorthodox, What ever happened with the maps and contacts with the other civs? Can you fill us in and let us know what's going down over there? Are they exterminating the Monkeys??? --Togas

	07-04-2004 00:52									#63
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quote: D@mn it, I've posted it in the next turn orders thread, in the correspondance threads. I guess I'm gonna have to kick some builder @sses then, so now I just made a NEW thread: quote: Important:Now, I've posted this in the orders thread, and in various Foreign correspondance threads. Apparantly some of you turnplayers haven't seen it yet though? NEXT TURN! GIFT MAPS TO: Monkey, Sunshing, MAST. GIFT CONTACT WITH COD AND PYTON TO: Sunshine, MAST. Forgive if this is a double or triple PM Poly seems to be acting up on me. As for the other continent, yes, Python and CoD are at war with Monkey. We don't know how it is going, though. Since neither have Iron and Monkeys have Neumidian Mercs. Monkeys asked us to send Military aid, but I have informed them that is just not possible at present time due to both logistical and political reasons. I'm going to be straight up here. TEAM TABEMONO has not made any decision on this yet, but I PERSONALLY will not be standing for any form of city gifting with the purpose of saving a civ. FYI. - UnOrthOdOx

	11-04-2004 13:21									#64
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quote: Greetings Togas, As you already know, Team Tabemono screwed up and accidentally sent you contact with Monkey this past turn. As you may also know, the reason it was a mistake to send it was because we have a non-interference pact with Cake or Death in which Team Tabemono was not going to interfere with the war on the other continent. CoD had asked us not to send out contact until they could have a chance to talk with the teams on our continent to sign the same pact. Our mistake has unfortunately forced CoD's hand so we now implore you to contact Arrian or Cort Haus from their team to discuss the non-interference pact with them. Regards, Rhoth

I thought Python sent us the Monkey contact, not Tab.

	11-04-2004 13:25									#65
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quote: Rhoth, According to our turn report, PYTHON sent us contact with Monkey, not Tabemono. If CoD wishes to speak to us about some sort non-interference pact, they may do so, however we will very clearly tell them that Tabemono did notsend us contact. Unless, of course, the turnreport is in error. For some reason I have not been receiving the saves so I cannot verify this. I'm going to ask HarryH about it, though, and get back to you. --Togas

	13-04-2004 22:27									#66
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The turn report is in error. Tab sent us the contact.

	20-04-2004 07:32									#67
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quote: Togas> can I ask you about Tabemono stuff? Togas> OPD is telling us that you want them to research Feudalism Togas> We were telling them to research Invention Togas> we told them to research invention months ago, after we traded them Engineering UnOrthOdOx> Ok, we were planning on researching it, that is why. Togas> why aren't you guys going for feud? UnOrthOdOx> Plus, Feudalism for Chiv (we are asking them for chiv) is an equal trade. UnOrthOdOx> Or so the tech guys are telling me. UnOrthOdOx> We have Feudalism, we need Chiv. Togas> We were going to trade Mono for Invention Togas> you guys already have invention Togas> I mean, Mono Togas> do we have Theo for Invention lined up? Togas> maybe we'll give Mono to MAST and they'll give us Chiv whenver they get it. UnOrthOdOx> That was the basic thinking was that Invention for Theo would be more likely for you. UnOrthOdOx> For you to want. UnOrthOdOx> We're trying to trade Feudalism to MAST for Chiv when they get it, yes. Togas> maybe we'll do the same, just seems like a damn good deal for MAST UnOrthOdOx> Then, we trade Invention to you for Theology Togas> they get Mono and Feud for free Togas> then they get Chiv as well UnOrthOdOx> I thought the same thing, I'm just doing what the tech folks tell me. Togas> however, MAST will still be behind Togas> no point in them researching Theo or Invention Togas> Chiv is a tech tree dead end Togas> heck, I guess we'll go along with it. Togas> I'll post it to my team UnOrthOdOx> There's what we wanted to avoid I believe. UnOrthOdOx> (the dead end) Togas> good point

	25-05-2004 09:01									#68
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Sharpe from Tabemono wants to do a big multi-team chat between our teams. Probably on Weds or Thurs night.

He's going to post to see when they're available.

When are we available?

--Togas

	25-05-2004 10:26									#69
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Tough call for me. Since I moved to Olympia, WA my commute to work is over an hour. I am telecommuting Mondays and Fridays. Tuesday thru Thursday I drive and on my way home I have been going to my old house to finish hauling my stuff and cleaning up. I usually don't get home until very late. Any time where I can do it (e.g., 9 PM PDT/-7 UTC) will probably be too late for everyone else.

	25-05-2004 11:07									#70
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I will be available non-stop for about the next week or two... then probably not at all.

	25-05-2004 22:43									#71
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I forgot that I have a dog club meeting Wednesday. I will not get home until around 10:00 PM PDT. I can try to get home a little earlier on Thursday, say by 8:00 PM PDT. Not sure if I can get home earlier than that or not. I will be telecommuting on Friday from home so I may be able to do something during the day then as long as it is kept short (half hour or less). Starting around 4:00 PM on Friday I will be busy getting ready for the dog events this weekend.

	27-05-2004 23:56									#72
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Let's all try to be online tonight.

--Togas

	28-05-2004 00:55									#73
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I will be at work.

BTW, I miss being on-line with you guys.

	28-05-2004 04:13									#74
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OK, what time tonight?

	28-05-2004 10:14									#75
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Had a long and somewhat idle-filled chat with Sharpe and then ZargonX and finally Kloreep. Instead of posting all of the boring chatter, here's the scoup:

They want a full on alliance with us
Trade between our nations is still not possible because (it seems) there are 2 black tiles of coast that need to be cleared by Tab)
They have 1 extra spice.
We have no luxes they need.
They are worried about LL building a FP in the jungle area to our north and making that area their second core.
They noted that LL's only horse and spice were in that area.
They feel that if we agreed to ally, we'd have another conversation entirely, one about the future of our continent and our roles, etc.
They assure me that they would not start a war with LL without our agreement (if we were allied).

--Togas

	28-05-2004 18:02									#76
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Very interesting. No longer just a defensive alliance. I suspect they may be itching a little more for war with LL than LL is. Tab has the larger army. If war happens, we would definitely need a larger military. If war comes, even cities without a barracks can build catapults. Let the barracks cities produce the combat units. Any idea if MAST will be part of this alliance?

I checked in a few times last night but did not find anyone. I must have been at the wrong time.

	04-06-2004 01:40									#77
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Chatted briefly with Sharpe yesterday. Told him that I only heard back from a few of my teammates, but the ones who spoke up were in favor of the alliance.

I'm in favor of it IF we can include that we must agree before the alliance goes to war, and that we can maintain our neutrality if we do not agree with a decision by our ally to go to war. The alliance would, basicly, be a defensive alliance for us, but we may decide that going to war is a good call (to deal with a major opponent) and back it.

I told Sharpe to write something up and send it our way.

--Togas

	20-06-2004 10:20									#78
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Sent the following draft to Sharpe

quote: I decided to whip up something for our alliance. The following is a draft: Sunshine & Tabemono Friendship Agreement Team Sunshine and Team Tabemono happily agree to the following: 1) We are allies. 2) In the spirit of our alliance, we will not practice, perform, or condone any hostile action against our ally. 3) We will trade and cooperate in all matters. 4) We will peacefully coexist and resolve any future settlement or border disputes. 5) We will inform each other before undertaking any hostile acts against 3rd parties. 6) We will protect each other from agression and destruction from any 3rd parties. 7) Team Sunshine, being pacifists and disinclined towards war, may choose not to participate in any wars of agression towards any 3rd party. Should Tabemono start a war, Team Sunshine may choose not to participate, even if Tabemono should later come under attack. However, should another team start a war with Tabemono, Sunshine will do everything in it's power to protect its good friend and ally. Hereby agreed to by: (Tabemono) (Sunshine)

	20-06-2004 22:25									#79
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looks good.

	25-06-2004 09:37									#81
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from Unortho:

quote: Been absent for a little while due to RL. I'ld like this all finalized before I head on vacation next week, even though given the speed of the game it likely won't make much difference... So I took a look at your draft, and have a draft of my own. Changes in bold, the rest of the team hasn't seen yet, either, though. My biggest concern is that it is entirely possible, I'ld even say likely, that should one of us come under attack, we would actually be declaring war before the attackers. The way I read the original is that this essentially negated the alliance because then whichever team would then be the 'aggressor', technically. Just wanting to clean that part up to where it's understood that in game and out of game are two seperate things. quote: Sunshine & Tabemono Friendship Agreement Team Sunshine and Team Tabemono happily agree to the following: 1) We are allies. 2) In the spirit of our alliance, we will not practice, perform, or condone any hostile action against our ally. 3) We will trade and cooperate in all matters. 4) We will peacefully coexist and resolve any future settlement or border disputes. 5) We will inform each other before undertaking any hostile acts against 3rd parties. 6) We will protect each other from agression and destruction from any 3rd parties. 7) Should either team choose to initiate hostile actions against a third party it is up to the remaining team to decide whether or not to participate, even should the initiator's homeland come under attack as a result of the hostile actions. 8) Should either team initiate hostilities in defense of their homeland, the other team will be obligated to aid to their fullest extent. (in my experience the defenders are often the ones 'declaring war' first.) Hereby agreed to by: (Tabemono) (Sunshine) May the sun shine forever shine that it may grow many crops.

	25-06-2004 09:40									#82
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sent back to Unortho:

quote: We agree to your redraft and happily sign it. quote: Sunshine & Tabemono Friendship Agreement Team Sunshine and Team Tabemono happily agree to the following: 1) We are allies. 2) In the spirit of our alliance, we will not practice, perform, or condone any hostile action against our ally. 3) We will trade and cooperate in all matters. 4) We will peacefully coexist and resolve any future settlement or border disputes. 5) We will inform each other before undertaking any hostile acts against 3rd parties. 6) We will protect each other from agression and destruction from any 3rd parties. 7) Should either team choose to initiate hostile actions against a third party it is up to the remaining team to decide whether or not to participate, even should the initiator's homeland come under attack as a result of the hostile actions. 8) Should either team initiate hostilities in defense of their homeland, the other team will be obligated to aid to their fullest extent. (in my experience the defenders are often the ones 'declaring war' first.) Hereby agreed to by: (Tabemono) Togas, Minister of Friendly Relations for Team Sunshine

	22-07-2004 03:36									#83
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from Kloreep:

quote: Have you guys researched Mono yet? If so, would you please send it? -Kloreep

We agreed to trade Mono for Feud + 2 contacts. We got the contacts. Did we ever get Feud? If so, we definately need to send them Monotheism next turn.

--Togas

	22-07-2004 06:36									#84
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We have Feudalism don't we? We're going to sell it to LL after all.

	19-08-2004 09:51									#85
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Should we check up on the tech status of Tabemono?

What are they researching anyways?

	19-08-2004 10:55									#86
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Sent to Kloreep

quote: Hello! Team Sunshine would like to let you know that we are still researching Theology. We will be for another 17 turns. We'd like to know what technology Tabemono is building and if we can arrange for a trade in the near future. We are also curious about your feelings on the Monkey war overseas. Our hearts go out to those helpless creatures who are being victimized by acts of cruel agression. We are discussing the war amongst ourselves. We would like to know what our good friends and allies feel is the best thing to do. We are always open to new ideas. --Togas, Friendly Relations for Team Sunshine

	19-08-2004 11:04									#87
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Wasn't it Tabemono that accidentally gave us contact with Monkey in the first place? After signing some sort of pact with Python and COD not to do so?

I get a feeling they won't want us to get involved, and if Monkey ends up getting techs mysteriously, Python and COD might have a few queries for them...

	10-09-2004 09:54									#88
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sent to Kloreep

quote: Hello neighbors! We at Sunshine just wanted to give you an update on how things are going. We have heard little from you and are curious to find out how things are going with your Latin neighbors. Can you give us an update on things with them? We are researching Theology. What are you researching? We'd like to try to aquire your extra spices. Do you think you can part with one? What sort of deal can we work out? We look forward to hearing from you soon!

	12-09-2004 10:45									#89
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Any response from Tabemono yet?

	23-09-2004 11:23									#90
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chat with tab

quote: Togas> We're wondering what tech you are researching Togas> We can't remember who's doing Invention Togas> I've also been asked to ask you about getting spices ZargonX> spices... ZargonX> we actually don't have spices for trade at the moment Togas> Togas> do you guys have any extra luxes? * Kloreep|idle sets mode: +o Togas ZargonX> unfortunately, no ZargonX> the food gods have not blessed us with bountiful spices or delicious dyes Togas> Are there any plans to aid the Monkeys? ZargonX> ah, the Monkeys... ZargonX> well, basically, we have a sort of non-interference agreement with that continent Togas> how long does that last? ZargonX> there was no time frame set on it ZargonX> so I guess until one side decides to interfere ZargonX> are you planning on aiding them? Togas> we were thinking about gifting them tech Togas> but then the topic of discussion died and we sort of dropped the ball ZargonX> yeah, they've never actually contacted us asking for help ZargonX> so, I guess they figure they've got their own affairs in order Togas> what tech are you researching? ZargonX> well, um... we're sort of researching the hoarding of gold at the moment... ZargonX> which isn't so much a science as one might think Togas> no 40 turn tech? ZargonX> not at the moment Togas> what will you do with all that gold?? ZargonX> well, as under the treaty we agreed to a while back... Kloreep|idle> Upgrading military Kloreep|idle> Which brings us to a big topic we need to discuss with you guys... ZargonX> there is a very high probability that there will be food-related hostilities in the near future Togas> yes. Please do Togas> food fight! ZargonX> it was inevitable Togas> will those Latin Lovers get the pudding knocked out of them? ZargonX> of course, we may have some more luxes available to trade you soon after that Togas> Luxes make us happy, of course. Togas> Any timeframe for such a fight to break out? Togas> And what do you need from us? ZargonX> Well, I won't say anything official, but I mean, c'mon, their empire has a #$(*ing tail! ZargonX> what's up with that!? Togas> Kloreep|idle> No exact timeframe yet Kloreep|idle> One big thing we're waiting for is Leo's Kloreep|idle> Barring someone else with a palace prebuild, we get it in about 10 turns Togas> ZargonX> As for what we would need from our Sunshiney pals... ZargonX> 1) don't tell LL Togas> of course ZargonX> 2) perhaps some gold for upgrades? I don't know what your economy is like ZargonX> 3) and, of course, if you are intersted, you are more than welcome to come along for the ride, though I know that's against your nature Togas> do you guys have invention? Kloreep|idle> Yep, we do ZargonX> what are you guys researching right now? Togas> Theo ZargonX> cool ZargonX> are you going to continue along the upper branch? Togas> we'll go Edu next ZargonX> nice Togas> we'll discuss what to do about the war. Going along is against the concept of this team (hippies) but maybe we'll find a way to make it make sense. ZargonX> Well, Hoplites are always useful Togas> indeed ZargonX> and those LL squares are always keeping women down, and that's not very much in the spirit of Love and Peace Togas> I'll post this chat to our team and see what responses I get to the war. ZargonX> excellent Togas> but "war" is sort of dirty word in our culture ZargonX> hopefully your team will be in support ZargonX> just call it a "food redistribution" ZargonX> that's what we do ZargonX> we'll keep you posted as we get closer to the actual time ZargonX> and plans start to solidify Togas> sounds good Togas> just keep us in the loop ZargonX> definately

--Togas