25-09-2003 08:14									#1
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I think it would be better if Precision bombing would only take out military units instead of Improvements. Or better yet
you can choose what to bomb so you can use your stealth bombers to take out SAM sights.

	25-09-2003 08:28									#2
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IIRC, I believe that precision bombing will be included in Conquests.

	25-09-2003 08:51									#3
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I mean actually choosing what to drop your bombs on not just
random bombing.

	25-09-2003 09:07									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Elias I think it would be better if Precision bombing would only take out military units instead of Improvements. Or better yet you can choose what to bomb so you can use your stealth bombers to take out SAM sights.

This would be an excellent addition. The way it is now, I never use percision bombing. I like the idea of being able to pick a target. Perhaps each target should have a different probability of a successful strike. Some targets might even require multiple hits in order to be destroyed.

	25-09-2003 09:09									#5
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Yeah and modern units like stealth fighter/bomber will
have a higher success rate

	25-09-2003 09:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Elias Yeah and modern units like stealth fighter/bomber will have a higher success rate

Exactly.

	25-09-2003 09:11									#7
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Hey on a unrelated subject how do you add a graphic by your
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	25-09-2003 09:12									#8
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I don't even know what precision bombing is supposed to do now. WHen you prec. bomb there should be a drop down menu that lets you pick a target; and of course sometimes you'll hit something else and sometimes you hit nothing (other than dirt).

	25-09-2003 09:19									#9
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I think its supposed to target city improvements. kinda stupid you dont really want to destroy a city you want and you could
do this with normal bombing anyway.

	25-09-2003 09:21									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Elias Hey on a unrelated subject how do you add a graphic by your name or become a warlord? Im new.

Post count determines level(Post in the OT forum do not count). Check out FAQ. The graphic is called your avatar. There is a selection to choose from when setting up your profile. After 500 post you can choose to have a custom avatar.

Welcome!

	25-09-2003 09:26									#11
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Thanks. Maby have a precison bombard for aritliary too.

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quote: Originally posted by Elias Thanks. Maby have a precison bombard for aritliary too.

Or perhaps radar artillery and cruise missle. Something would need to be added in order to keep the balance however.

	25-09-2003 09:43									#13
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yeah do the same thing with the bombers maby have a chance
of hiting your targt.they need to do a lot with cruis missles though they dont have enough range and dont do enough
damage so i never get them.

	25-09-2003 23:01									#14
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I may be wrong about this, because my games almost never last to the point where I have precision bombing tech, but I thought that the way it worked right now, as of a patch to Civ III pre-PTW, was that precision units can use the precision function which targets buildings (as was explained above), but that when they chose regular bombing missions they were less likely to hit things other than the city defenders. Therefore, if you want to mess up the city, use the Precision mission, if you want to capture it, use the Bombing mission. Am I imgaining this, or does this functionality not work?

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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Or perhaps radar artillery and cruise missle. Something would need to be added in order to keep the balance however.

I agree precision bombing for cruise missles would be a good improvement, I'm not sure if we can change this in the editor but I'll check. I've already increased the range of my cruise missles to about 8-10 tiles, which on a large map is not very much. And yes, the AI uses the increased range very effectively. Trust me, I've had half my navy wiped out in a massive suprise attack with CMs and bombers once or twice.

	26-09-2003 00:17									#16
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jkelly, you are correct. Standard bombing/bombardment has 50% chance of targeting units, 25% each for population and improvements. If there are no valid targets of the chosen type, the bombardment fails. If you want to capture the city intact, use Cruise Missiles ...

Defcon, the object of Cruise Missiles was to complement precision bombing (reality be d*mn*d), so CMs target ONLY the defending units (in a city) and are killers. Use them instead of bombardment to leave that marketplace intact and not reduce the city size, or not have to wait for turns of bombardment.
EDIT: Good point re the question of adding precision bombing to CMs capabilities.

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quote: Originally posted by jkelly ..........precision units can use the precision function which targets buildings (as was explained above), but that when they chose regular bombing missions they were less likely to hit things other than the city defenders......

The problem is those "target buildings."

For some reason, my Stealth Bombers with all their "precision" abilities, always tend to go after, Colloseums, Temples, and Cathedrals.

Precision Bombing should mean a list of targets, so that we can hit Factories, Hydro Plants, Barracks....etc.

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quote: Originally posted by Kaos XIII Precision Bombing should mean a list of targets, so that we can hit Factories, Hydro Plants, Barracks....etc.

Amen.

	26-09-2003 08:28									#19
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Defcon5


I agree precision bombing for cruise missles would be a good improvement, I'm not sure if we can change this in the editor but I'll check. I've already increased the range of my cruise missles to about 8-10 tiles, which on a large map is not very much. And yes, the AI uses the increased range very effectively. Trust me, I've had half my navy wiped out in a massive suprise attack with CMs and bombers once or two.



me too on my mod CM's have a range of 8 a bombard of
160(this is on the teturkahan senc so all the bombard rates
are much higher) and a rate of fire of 4. in additon they can
also fit into subs wich can now carry up to 24. Just park a
sub full of CM's of an enemy coats and watch the fire works.
it is quite annoying building them one at a time though
espically when you have 180.

	26-09-2003 13:53									#20
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Don't forget you can't capture cultural city improvements. If your precision bombing takes out a colosseum that simply means more unhappy citizens in that city for your enemy. You won't get the improvement anyway if you capture the city. The only real issue is that if you hit a cultural improvement it means you didn't hit anything important.

Precision bombing is a good way of crippling an AI if, for some reason, you don't want to take that AI's cities.

What really irritates me is that SAM sites seem to always be the last city improvement left and you have to take out all the others before you get the SAM.

It would also be nice to choose which unit you hit. If I have a stack of MA ready to hit a city I want to bomb the 2HP MI, not the 4HP infantry.

	26-09-2003 23:56									#21
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV It would also be nice to choose which unit you hit. If I have a stack of MA ready to hit a city I want to bomb the 2HP MI, not the 4HP infantry.

This might be possible with the new C3C editor. There will be an option for "stealth attack" allowing a land units to pick the unit it attacks. A CM or bomber is a different type of unit but there's a chance we may be able to give the stealth attack capability to these units too.

	26-09-2003 23:59									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Elias in additon they can also fit into subs wich can now carry up to 24. Just park a sub full of CM's of an enemy coats and watch the fire works. it is quite annoying building them one at a time though espically when you have 180.

Do you know how the subs are flagged in the editor? I think there is quite a trick to getting subs to accept CMs. But that does sound like fun. I would enjoy fighting a war from afar, blowing up the enemy's city improvements while leaving the territory in his hands.

	27-09-2003 00:12									#23
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Since we're talking about airpower this might be interesting. There are no details except for the AEGIS but air power is apparently being strengthened.

quote: Chieftess> Will ships (such as the aegis cruiser) and ground units be able to engage aircraft in battle. After all, the primary mission of the Aegis class cruisers IRL is anti air/anti missile defense. flak and mobile SAMs to counter the increased strength of air the AEGIS has anti-air protect those carriers!! Aegis Cruiser now has the previouly mentioned Anti-Air ability

	27-09-2003 06:16									#24
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Air units will now kill ground units. So they added AA units (mibile SAMs, etc). Aegis Cruisers are one of these units.

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quote: Air units will now kill ground units

In a Conquest scenario or also in the Epic?

	27-09-2003 23:19									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Louis XXIV Air units will now kill ground units. So they added AA units (mibile SAMs, etc). Aegis Cruisers are one of these units.

We can flag air units in the editor for leathal bombard against ground units (or naval units) currently.

	28-09-2003 05:32									#27
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Yeah, but they aren't activated by default for Air units (I assume you can deactivate it if you think its too powerful, though)

	28-09-2003 15:31									#28
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Theres a lot of excellent points in this thread (espec. the precision bombing - kill interceptors on ground, kill SAM site, select rest of targets at will). It would also be nice to be able to fly aggressive air superiority missions instead of just defensive, and possibly even change the F-15 for the F-22 so the americans have a useful UU. Ok maybe im wishing now. I just hope that the good ideas mentioned in this thread and others actually get implemented in C3C, as PTW didnt add much at all and was basically an interim add-on and a rip off ( I payed £20 for a few new units and a bunch of files I could have downloaded free off the net).

You've probably heard that little moan before, but c'mon guys make sure C3C elevates Civ back up to the best title out there

	28-09-2003 23:45									#29
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quote: Originally posted by spy14 .... It would also be nice to be able to fly aggressive air superiority missions instead of just defensive, ...

You can, and it is a fascinating side-game in itself (if you like that sort of thing).
See the threads:
Apolyton CS Forums > Civilization III > Civ3-General > Intercepting Bomber Missions
and
Apolyton CS Forums > Civilization III > Civ3-General > fighters and bomber

	29-09-2003 01:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 Do you know how the subs are flagged in the editor? I think there is quite a trick to getting subs to accept CMs. But that does sound like fun. I would enjoy fighting a war from afar, blowing up the enemy's city improvements while leaving the territory in his hands.

You just have to label the CM's as tatical missles in the editor.
since the subs can accept Tactical nukes they will now be able
to accept CM's.