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Alinestra Covelia is offline Alinestra Covelia
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Okay, I was talking with one of my girlfriends - let's call her Callie - online about usual girly stuff, when the subject of her first time came up. I thought her story was remarkable and I'm still wondering whether it's really sweet and romantic, or whether it's actually kinda creepy. As for you guys out there - let's hope this story helps you make a few girls happier!
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He had been her scuba diving instructor. They'd gone to a remote island resort for diving. He had maneuvered his closest male friends to stay away (they were originally going to come along) and then told her that her diving skills were far behind and then given her further instruction. During that time, when they were together alone, with the smooth expanse of the azures around them and the collected riches of the seabed below, he told her he loved her and asked her if she felt the same way.

Okay, that was background.

Fast forward to winter holiday. She came back from her studies overseas and he immediately whisked her away to his friend's shacklet in the scenic mountainside. There, he had taken it upon himself to pamper and baby her all day, cooking for her and not allowing her anywhere near the kitchen.

He prepared dinner and brought it out to candle light, wines, and musical accompaniment. He gave her a present over dinner - an enormous teddy bear.

The teddy bear was wearing jeweled earrings and necklace. They, too, were gifts for her, procured from the capital.

Talk turned to her life in America, and how it must have been difficult. She, remembering, began to cry, and he masterfully removed her to the bedroom. He just held her close and rocked back and forth.

After a spell, he stroked her back and started to massage her. She lay on her front, and it seemed only natural to take off her shirt. He massaged her sore muscles for a while, then laid a cloth over the bed, ostensibly to guard against the massage oil.

Of course, what happened thereafter proved that he had counted on guarding the bed against more than just the oil.

As if the above weren't enough testament to his organizational skills, the final coup de grace came when she worried she might be pregnant, after the event. With admirable coolness, he summoned up his formidable presence of mind and gave her an eloquent rationale as to why, owing to certain cycles which he had evidently monitored very closely, it was impossible for her to get pregnant at that time.

The man in this story is 29 years old and the woman is 24. The man has admitting to having two serious girlfriends, and maybe three casual relationships. He has also admitted that he has slept with prostitutes before and in between relationships.

I now hold this man with a degree of awe and reverence that I have not held for many people. He evidently must love her a lot. I can't imagine any man going through this trouble and meticulous planning for a girl just to sleep with her.


Post your own stories, thoughts, and observations here - but please... keep them printable.

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He's a scam artist, good at his craft.

Alinestra Covelia is offline Alinestra Covelia
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Well, he also seems to really like her. He quit his job in Korea and moved to Canada so he could be closer to her.

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He's doing nice things for her, and that's good.
Moving that distance shows a lot.
Sleeping with hookers is risky business.
Has she been tested for AIDS? Seriously.

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Could be ... or he moved there for other reasons. One of those is of course to be closer to her

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24?! She was 24 and just now getting laid for the first time? :hmm:

The guy was smooth but the dinner and the massage are right out of the Maxim magazine play book. They're great ideas but now that their published in a magazine it's likely a girl might run into more then one guy trying to pull the same stunt.

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I now hold this man with a degree of awe and reverence that I have not held for many people.

Awe and revelerence? He's just good at picking up women. I don't know if I'd go as far as calling it a scam, he's just good at what he does. I save my awe for people like Ghandhi, Arthur C. Clarke and Martin Luthur who use their insight to make the world a better place.

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Unless there's something I don't know about him I'm not sure Arthur C Clarke has "made the world a better place", at least not to the same degree that he can be mentioned in the same breath as Ghandi and MLK. Anyway....

I think that story was kinda creepy, to be honest. He was very manipulative, full of cliches and totally focused on getting her into the sack. IMHO the most romantic stuff is both spontaneous and original, his little scheme had none of that. Perhaps the Real Life events were more romantic, but seeing it written down like that makes it sound very sleazy.

However, if they're in love and happy together etc etc then who really gives a **** about anything else.

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Yeah that story gave me the creeps too.

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owing to certain cycles which he had evidently monitored very closely, it was impossible for her to get pregnant at that time


She bought that?

Taking creative license, with us, AC?

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Yeah that story gave me the creeps too.


I just found it a little excessive.

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Yeah that story gave me the creeps too.


Which Bomber is the quote from?

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Unless there's something I don't know about him I'm not sure Arthur C Clarke has "made the world a better place", at least not to the same degree that he can be mentioned in the same breath as Ghandi and MLK.

In mentioning ACC, I thought I'd be more inclusive in saying who I admire. I admire him not for his novels, but his ideas of the GeoSynchonous Satiellite and The Space Elevator. He certainly put his mind to better use than this guy, although I don't object much because he got laid by making a woman happy. The guys who make me mad are the ones who pass the crack pipe.

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The guy was smooth but the dinner and the massage are right out of the Maxim magazine play book. They're great ideas but now that their published in a magazine it's likely a girl might run into more then one guy trying to pull the same stunt.


I was using this method twenty years ago. Worked great then...works great now...will work great tommorow.

Some things never change.

Alinestra Covelia is offline Alinestra Covelia
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He's asked her to get married and she told me she's thinking about it.

This guy looks pretty serious. O_O

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pathetic.

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He's asked her to get married and she told me she's thinking about it.

This guy looks pretty serious. O_O


She's thinking about it?

I don't even know her and I'd be willing to bet $5 she's already decided to say yes. No doubt she just wants to make him sweat a bit first. In any event the guy is a bit creepy but he obviously cared enough about her to work out a bunch of details in advance when he first met her. My guess is he has never been much of a lady's man but he really wanted to be one and that's why he went to such extreme efforts to begin with (that can be a good or a bad mark depending upon how you look at it).

BTW how long have they been dating? I don't mean long distance dating either since that isn't really dating. If it hasn't been two years then I'd say it's to soon to think about marriage especially since this is her first real relationship.

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I now hold this man with a degree of awe and reverence that I have not held for many people.




Okay, so he's a smooth customer who knows how to breakdown the defense of a woman, but awe and reverence? Sheesh, there are many who are like him out there.

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all i have to say is that it wouldn't've worked on me.

well, if i were a girl, anyway. as a guy it's a non-issue.

he does seem a bit greazy to me, though. so greazy that you can't get a good grip on the s.

but if she's happy, and he's happy, let them do what they will.

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owing to certain cycles which he had evidently monitored very closely, it was impossible for her to get pregnant at that time.

Sounded fairly good up until this point.

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Well, he also seems to really like her. He quit his job in Korea and moved to Canada so he could be closer to her.

And then things go all to ****. I wouldn't trust most most of the white boys working here farther than I could throw us (I'm a glorious exception of course ). This place is a HUGE magnet for creepy/sleazy guys, and what with that, the whores and the BS about "certain cycles" I'd be really worried for my friend.

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In any event the guy is a bit creepy but he obviously cared enough about her to work out a bunch of details in advance when he first met her.


What's so creepy about it? It's just common sense. Good preparation makes hitting it that much easier.

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None of us can judge either of them, this is just a short story. It's interesting, but in the end - whatever.


I met my fiance on the Internet 6 years ago. 3 years ago I went to Singapore to meet her for 1 month, her father was unsure of it, but first day he met me he allowed me to stay with them in their home.

1 year later, my fiance comes over to New Zealand (christchurch) for 2 weeks, all is great. Just this year I was over in Singapore again for another month (during chinese new year, best chance to meet the relatives).

Next year in Jan, she will be coming back for another month hopefully, and at the end of next year we will be getting married.

Long distant relationships do work, during WW2 and WW1 there were hundreds of penpal writings, between soldiers and women back in their home country.


Face it, we are living in a time where it is easier to communicate and travel the world, soon it will be a commonplace to find a relationship outside your city/country.

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Oh and my point is... if this was a story that wasn't a long distant relationship, would it have been interesting? I mean, this sort of thing is happening right now 1 million times as I type this most likely.

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creeeeeeeepy. He observed her cycles? Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

As for my own personal story, I'll just say it forms the foundations for Starchild's Dating Rules #2 and #4

2: Never date bisexuals. Double agents of the homoworld.

4: Blind dates set up by friends are, in someway, all guided by the devil toward ruin.

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They've been long-distance dating for a year and a half.

He's her second boyfriend. She's his seventh or so girlfriend.

They both come from a fairly conservative modernized Asian society. (You can probably guess which one as I type this.)

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They both come from a fairly conservative modernized Asian society. (You can probably guess which one as I type this.)

Aaaaaah, OK Korean guys tend to be a little strange when it comes to dating (at least by US standards) and marriage happens damn fast when Koreans start pushing 30. Wouldn't worry too much.

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You hadn't figured out he was Korean yet? Maybe that's why I was the only one who didn't think he was a freak...

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Yeah, you're smarter than me like that.

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Yes, he's 29 so maybe he's feeling the calling of the menopause.

My own thoughts:

I liked the whole "pampered retreat" thing. I guess I either didn't do a good job of describing it the way she told me, or the whole gender difference thing was bigger than I thought. I'm not into teddy bears but I thought that was a cute idea... Now if only some guy could find a romantic way of giving me jewelry and a GameCube...

The cycle thing scared me and it wouldn't have convinced me personally, partially because many of my friends in the UK were Catholics and had a fair number of horror stories to tell about when the rhythm method failed them completely. Fortunately nothing bad happened in this case but I thought it was risky. I was surprised but not repulsed at the fact that he knew when her monthly time was - all of my exes knew simply through hanging around me. (And the subsequent fracas that followed.)

The girl did ask the guy once what would happen if she got pregnant. He answered that it would make him very happy because then he'd be "compelled" to marry her. (I guess there's greater social pressure on the guy to marry rather than abscond, at least in this particular East Asian culture.) After that, they started using protection at her request.

Some of you mentioned it was strange that the girl was a virgin until she was 24. Her culture still holds sex as being mostly a male imperative - it's okay for a guy to visit "Love Hotels" but it's not okay for girls to have sex before marriage. She already counts as being quite expeienced for her age because of her current relationship.

And Boshko... smoke me a kipper, would you? I'll be back before breakfast!

 
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