30-09-2003 20:01									#1
	I know this is silly, but... (PBEM request) Suffering from ads?

anyone up for one of a short PBEM? possibly regicide? i know conquests is out next month, so perhaps just a quick and dirty game?

	01-10-2003 22:43									#2
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mmm no takers, eh?

	05-10-2003 21:16									#3
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'ello?

	06-10-2003 00:36									#4
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I'd do that. It would be better to get more than 2 players though. Maybe 4 players on Tiny.

	06-10-2003 01:49									#5
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If it's 4 on tiny, I'm game.

	07-10-2003 20:51									#6
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okay... we've got three...

	07-10-2003 21:41									#7
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	07-10-2003 23:16									#8
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i think that might be arranged...

	08-10-2003 06:07									#9
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I'm not sure if SR would do AccelProd. What do you say, good Sir?

	08-10-2003 10:15									#10
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I don't like it. In this game it may make sense, though. But still...

	08-10-2003 11:22									#11
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I could do with or without. I prefer without. It is great for on line simult, but not so good for classic turn based.

	08-10-2003 14:59									#12
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Nevermind then, I understand how AP can significantly detract from the game.

I think I'll wait till conquests.

	08-10-2003 15:21									#13
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I'd like to join a quick game on tiny.
Maybe we need someone to set up the game?

	08-10-2003 20:24									#14
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let's see... we have:

notyoueither
OPD
Tarquinius
Sir Ralph
and myself.

weeell... this would make 5 on tiny... wouldn't that be a little cramped?

	08-10-2003 21:55									#15
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Yeah cramped, just the 4 of you would be better,

like I said, I think I'll wait untill C3C before starting another pbem.

	08-10-2003 21:55									#16
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As far as I understand, that was a "no" from OPD, or did I get that wrong?

	08-10-2003 23:02									#17
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looks like by the time you guys get this going Conquests will be out

If you need a fourth, Ill do it. (Right now looks like you have four)

I would play in the evening usa time.

Good lUck

	08-10-2003 23:22									#18
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So the optimal play order would be

self biased
notyoueither
Sir Ralph
Tarquinius

The latter 2 could be changed, as they appear to be in the same time zone. Who will set up the game? Should we have 3-4 starts and vote for one? Or should we have somebody looking if nobody is stuck at an island?

	09-10-2003 00:40									#19
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Better to turn around the order:

Tarquinius
Sir Ralph
Self Biased
Notyoueither

As they are behind on us, they will be able to get within a reasonable time period. If you put it other way round, you could just be sleeping when you get it from the other side of the world.

It would be best to find someone to set it up, as that would guarantee (almost) equal positions.
Any volunteers?

If there aren't any we could try three starts and pick one without any horrible starts (no shielded grassland for example, or no 2-food tile)

	09-10-2003 00:43									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Tarquinius Better to turn around the order: Tarquinius Sir Ralph Self Biased Notyoueither As they are behind on us, they will be able to get within a reasonable time period. If you put it other way round, you could just be sleeping when you get it from the other side of the world. It would be best to find someone to set it up, as that would guarantee (almost) equal positions. Any volunteers? If there aren't any we could try three starts and pick one without any horrible starts (no shielded grassland for example, or no 2-food tile)

That is different how?

(except that you and me have changed position, which I said is possible)

	09-10-2003 06:42									#21
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my location is USA eastern timezone... if that helps...

	09-10-2003 11:43									#22
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I thought so, considering your Apolyton time setting. So who will set this game up? self biased, as initiator? Should we have 3-4 different starts and vote? Should we choose our civs or have everything random? What do you guys think?

	09-10-2003 13:25									#23
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I'd like to choose my civ, and a pangea map. Rest can be set to random (including Barbarians) Diffciculty level doesn't matter much to me, is Monarch okay?

I think picking one start from 3/4 starts is best. No perfect starts are required, just no terrible ones.

	09-10-2003 14:02									#24
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In a game without AI difficulty matters only for happiness, barbarian strength and corruption.

- Chieftain gives 4 citizens born content, Warlord 3, Regent and Monarch 2, Emperor and Deity 1.
- Barbarians get the stronger the higher the difficulty is
- Corruption gets higher with increased difficulty, because the OCN gets lower.

Monarch would be fine with me, although happiness-wise it's just the same as Regent.

I think there should be four starts generated, which will be evaluated by each player. Everyone has 10 points to share, but may not give more than 5 to a particular game. So if you have 2 good starts and 2 horrible, just give the good ones 5 points and the horrible ones 0. Or if you have 4 different ones, give them 4, 3, 2 and 1 point. The save with the highest score sum will be the one played. You get the message.

Settings should be pangea, normal, temperate, 4 billion years.

	09-10-2003 20:51									#25
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Agreed Sir Ralph
I can make 4 games if it is okay with the others. Just say which civ you want to play and how your civ and ruler name and noun etc. is. One thing though, someone should be able to veto a save, if it really is not playable. Otherwise, if it is just a bad or mediocre start you will just have to live with it.

Are the following settings okay with everyone?
Monarch
Tiny
Pangea
4 Billion years
Temperate
Normal climate
Restless Barbarians

	09-10-2003 21:35									#26
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sounds good to me

	10-10-2003 14:45									#27
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Do you guys want to choose your civs or random? Actually in this case it would be funny to have random civs, as you can take this into account when awarding points for the starts.
So I am for random civs. Please state your opinion fast, so we can get this on the road.

	10-10-2003 17:00									#28
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If all chose random, I'm all for it too. But that might be unjust, because some civs have late UUs (Germany, USA) and I have yet to see a PBEM that gets far into the industral age on any map, let alone on a tiny pangea.

If civs will be chosen, I'll take Persia. Never had Persia in a PBEM yet.

	10-10-2003 21:17									#29
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sounds interesting... i'm only just starting to go for random civs in my regular games... let's go for it.

	11-10-2003 02:29									#30
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I will go with the flow. Random civs. The other settings mentioned by Tarquinius are fine.

Can we clarify that a player may veto a start if it is truely horrible? Should we say that a screen must be posted and the other 3 can override if unanimous? I think we are all reasonable people. If someone showed be a screen with 3 tundra and 2 mountains in the initial area, I would agree to go again.

One other thing, if random civs do we want culturally linked off?