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SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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Wed Oct 1, 9:52 AM ET
By AMBER McDOWELL, Associated Press Writer

FRANKLIN, Tenn. - Relaxing on the verandah of a refurbished Victorian home turned tea room, Dot Fleming nibbled coconut pie and extolled the virtues of life in the South.

"It's just an easier, more relaxed lifestyle, with friendly people, home-cooking and big families," said the 55-year-old Fleming, whose family has lived in this affluent town south of Nashville since the early 1900s.

A new Vanderbilt University study found that the number of people like Fleming, who are fiercely proud to be called Southerners, is being noticeably diluted by newcomers and those who just plain reject the label.

From 1991 to 2001, the number of people living in the South who identified themselves as "Southerners" declined 7.4 percentage points, from about 78 percent to 70 percent.

The study found that only Republicans, political conservatives and the wealthy bucked this trend, keeping the same percentage of self-described "Southerners."

"As with other parts of the country, continuing urbanization and immigration have had an impact on the South," said sociology professor Larry Griffin, who headed the study.

The researchers analyzed data from 19 polls conducted by the University of North Carolina from 1991-2001 that asked respondents if they considered themselves Southerners. The findings will be included in the article "Enough About the Disappearing South — What About the Disappearing Southerner?" as part of the fall edition of Southern Cultures, the journal of UNC's Center for the Study of the American South.

The polls surveyed 17,600 people in 13 states — Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.

The decline spanned all races, ethnic and age groups, researchers said. But Republicans held steady at about 74 percent, political conservatives at 78 percent and the rich at 69 percent.

"Though the South has changed (over the decade), those three groups still see themselves as in the South or of the South," Griffin said. "For persons of color, the poor, for political liberals or Democrats, it may be an image they reject."

As for Fleming, she said she understands why conservatives continue to classify themselves as Southerners.

"In general, when you're conservative, you don't like change," said Fleming, who says she's probably in the upper middle class financially and neither conservative nor liberal.

Elouise North, a 79-year-old gift shop manager at Carter House, describes herself as both a Southerner and a conservative.

"It's a way of life," she said. "You don't rush things too much here. In my generation, you weren't rude, you had manners, you said 'Yes, ma'am' and 'No, ma'am.'"

North was born in Gallatin, 25 miles northeast of Nashville, but moved to Franklin 44 years ago after she married. During that time, she says she's seen so many new people move here that "it's no wonder" the number of self-described Southerners has dropped.



That's why the Republic of Texas is pulling out of this zoo.

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Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out!

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The results are somewhat suprising. Just based on the flag vote in Mississippi, I would have expected the results to be much higher.

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YEAH, Che!

It's people like YOU that's the problem!



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YEAH!

It's people like YOU that's the problem!
Damn Yankees!

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We've decided to finally destroy the South by colonizing it.

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Damn Yankees!


Hayle, yeah.
They needs to be grabbing up they's cawpitbags and git!

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Seriously, though, I like the South. Think I'll stay for a while.

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People in the South really are layed back.

Look at this, Che.
Does this look like someone you'd like or what?

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Look at this, Che.


Wow, the likeness is uncanny. But I'll look better in cowboy boots and a Stetson.

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That's why the Republic of Texas is pulling out of this zoo.

I myself don't count Texas as part of the South, sorry
(Really I think of it more as one of the "wild west" states as far as state-level labels go)

South losing its identity?
On the one hand you won't have any more old ladies like Ms. Fleming? saying that "You didn't rush things then. You said 'Yes sir' and 'Yes maam'". On the other hand it is an identity after all, and even if we lose our "identity" all the redneck and hick jokes will still be made

I'm proud to live in the South. I'm not some ultrasectionalist like Slowwy though

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I wanna see USA vs Texas war! Texas would win hands down because most of the US troops are... shall we say... elsewhere

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"It's just an easier, more relaxed lifestyle, with friendly people, home-cooking and big families,"

That sounds like how I grew up.

You don't need to be a Southerner to be relaxed, polite, or friendly. All you need is a good attitude.

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"It's just an easier, more relaxed lifestyle, with friendly people, home-cooking and big families,"


And shotguns. Lots and lots of shotguns.

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And shotguns. Lots and lots of shotguns.

YEEHAW! *shoots into sky*

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I feel Drogues old quote is most appropriate here:

"If you get a thousand Texans in a thousand pick-up trucks with a thousand shotguns shooting at a thousand roadsigns, you will eventually get all of Shakespeares works in braille."

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I feel Drogues old quote is most appropriate here:

"If you get a thousand Texans in a thousand pick-up trucks with a thousand shotguns shooting at a thousand roadsigns, you will eventually get all of Shakespeares works in braille."




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Unfortunately, a lot of non-southern states are showing an influx of southern "culture". States like Indiana, Wyoming, Montana, etc.

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I'm willing to bet that the majority of Southerners today either weren't born here or were born to parents who weren't born here because IIRC the population has more than doubled since 1960, while the population of the rest of the country has grown only by 50%. Since 1970 the South has had the largest internal immigration of all the regions of the US. When you consider this then the biggest surprise is that still about 3/4 of the population considers itself Southern.

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Beh. This is pure rubbish.

Save your Dixie cups, the South will rise again!

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me: born in arkansas

mom: born in arkansas
dad: born in ohio

So I've got my superior northern skills and my superior southern...uh...drawl

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So in other words, an increasing number of enlightened Southerners are finally realizing that the Civil War is over.

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The Civil War ain't over. We simply let you guys have a breather.

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I though you were a Texican, Slowwhand, not a 'southern boy'.

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Yeah, it's kinda depressing. I'm not a Southerner, though I live amongst a few and am fascinated by their in(breeding)sight.

It's almost enough to make me wave a Confederate flag about myself, just to see if I can rally any spirit anymore. (My family's from Wisconsin).

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We've decided to finally destroy the South by colonizing it.


We need to reinstitute having neighborhood parties for carpetbaggers. Someplace nice, under the shade. Formal dress so to speak, though you can skip the tails part.

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I'm willing to bet that the majority of Southerners today either weren't born here or were born to parents who weren't born here because IIRC the population has more than doubled since 1960, while the population of the rest of the country has grown only by 50%. Since 1970 the South has had the largest internal immigration of all the regions of the US. When you consider this then the biggest surprise is that still about 3/4 of the population considers itself Southern.


I wasn't born in the south (though Butternut country ain't that far away) due to economic migration. At that time, my dad was scrambling to make ends meet with a kid on the way, so he took whatever jobs he could find that would pay better.

I still spent most of my childhood in the south (though all over it), and both learned to speak and learned to catch crawdads there, but precious little of my first two years was in the south. Most of my cousins (not counting the yankee twig of my family tree - taken collectively, if their brains were powder they couldn't blow even one of their noses) that were born from 1960 on were in similar circumtances, though most of them have moved back south long ago. Up until that time, virtually everyone in my family was born more or less in the same place as their parents.

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To hell with Southern identity, Austinite identity is far more important. Keep Austin weird.

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I am a westerner by birth and a southerner by choice. Tennessee is tops. I have lived in California, Texas, the north, east and several places in between but I think the south is best overall. I did kind of like Alpena, Michigan though.

 
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