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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:31
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From Sports Illustrated:
If the Eagles' season eventually goes down in flames and they go 6-10 and McNabb stinks, we'll write about it. But to suggest, as Limbaugh did on ESPN, that we in the media have even deep-background or off-the-record discussions in press boxes or magazine offices about propping up black coaches and quarterbacks is incredible.
Maybe, I thought, I'm being naïve here. Maybe someone here has an agenda I haven't heard of. I called Reuben Frank of the Burlington County (N.J.) Times. He has covered the Eagles' beat since 1987. He's covered quarterbacks white (Bubby Brister, Bobby Hoying, Ty Detmer, Koy Detmer) and black (Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, McNabb), and coaches white (Rich Kotite, Reid) and black (Ray Rhodes).
I wondered in the past 17 seasons whether Frank had ever heard in the press room or on the practice field, or while having a few beers the night before games, a colleague talking about how great it was to see a black quarterback or coach succeeding. I wondered whether Frank had ever heard a fellow journalist say that he and his peers should write nice things about the black people and not such nice things about the white people. "In all the years I've covered this team,'' Frank said, "nobody I've heard has ever said anything remotely along those lines. I don't think of Donovan McNabb as a black quarterback and I didn't think of Rhodes as a black coach. They're a quarterback and a coach. Maybe someone in our business thinks the way Limbaugh said, but I haven't met him.''
Now, there is something that Limbaugh said that I do agree with. He stated that McNabb had gotten credit for the defense playing so well and winning games. Welcome to the real world. When you win in football, the quarterback gets too much credit, unless he's Spergon Wynn or Trent Dilfer. That's just the way life is. Quarterbacks get too much credit if the team wins and too much blame if the team loses. That's why they make the big dough.
The bottom line is that yes, I agree McNabb is overrated. He would have been on my top 10 list of quarterbacks in 2001 -- when he played two terrific playoff games and had a good regular season -- but he's been too inconsistent since then to be called a premier quarterback.
Last week, I pitched a story idea to my editor, Mark Godich, about how rookie quarterbacks should be developed. I told him how well I thought Titans coach Jeff Fisher had done in developing a raw but potentially great quarterback, Steve McNair, who happens to be black. My point was that Fisher thought it best to spoonfeed McNair slowly -- not because he was black, but because he thought a quarterback coming from relatively small Alcorn State to the NFL needed a couple of years to get adjusted to playing big-league football. In Limbaughworld, Godich would have said, "Let's do it, and let's blow it up big. McNair's the top-rated quarterback in football, and he's black!'' But in the real world, Godich took a pass, and I'll write about something else this week.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?sl...cnnsi&type=lgns
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:31
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Limbaugh is free to express himself and free to portray himself as the victim. People are also free to criticise his comments.
Freedom of speech does not mean you're free from criticisms.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:31
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On today's show, Rush's audience expressed extreme disappointment in Rush for resigning. Some callers said they found the ESPN cast member's denunciation of Rush to be unacceptable. But Rush came to their defense, saying they had to do what they did because they were taking heat from others and had to do what they did to maintain credibility, etc.
Rush also said that the producers recently had asked him to punch up his opinions to make them "edgier." He said he had been trying to keep them non controversial.
Also, the straw that broke the camel's back was Tom Jackson, a black reporter on the show. Tom was a founding member of the ESPN show, and had been there 17 years. He has great credibility. The show's producer said that he did not believe that he could "save" Tom Jackson. In other words, it was either Rush resign or Tom Jackson would quit. Tom, on Sunday, said he had been taking a lot of heat for not questioning Rush's race comment at the time.
Rush said he understood the kind of heat the cast was under and wanted to spare them. He said that he had been taking the heat for years, but that it was clear that his fellow cast members did not want to deal with it.
Looking back, it would have been better not to bring Rush on a show without the full cooperation and consent of the original cast. Cosell was just as edgy as Rush, but IIRC, Cosell was an original cast member of Monday Night Football. The people that joined Cosell knew what they were getting into.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:31
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It is also clear that if you are a liberal, you can say exactly what Limbaugh said and not be criticized at all. If you are a liberal, your comments, as I excerpted from the Salon.com article, will be discussed seriously. If, in contrast, you are a conservative, you will be defamed and denouced as a racist. You will suffer demands from leading Democrat political figures for your head to be placed on the end of a stake.
What all this shows is that the attacks on Limbaugh have nothing at all to do with race. They have everything to do with politics - everything. It is just one more example of how the left tries to win the contest of ideas by defamation.
Last edited by Ned on 07-10-2003 at 03:07
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Japher
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
time: 05:31
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Round 1 of the 1999 NFL Draft
1. Cleveland -- Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
2. Philadelphia -- Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse
3. Cincinnati -- Akili Smith, QB, Oregon
Who the heck is Akili Smith!!!??
Anyway, also in this draft is Aaron Brooks, drafted in the 4th round, 36th pick.
In the 4.5 years they have been playing Brooks has a 79.3 passer rating, Couch a 75.9, and McNabb a 77.0... All of these rating are not worthy of any attention... Yet, if you look at McNabb's las year he had a 86.0, but this year a 51.3... Man, how right is Rush!? Couch is currently throwing a 102.4!!!
Brooks has almost all of the Saints passing records and has taken the Saints to the playoffs 2 of the 4 years he has been in the league...
If the media wants to tout someone it should be Brooks, he is a much better black QB... Or, tout Couch, he may be white, but he's on the Browns!
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
It is also clear that if you are a liberal, you can say exactly what Limbaugh said and not be criticized at all. If you are a liberal, your comments, as I excerpted from the Salon.com article, will be discussed seriously. If, in contrast, you are a conservative, you will be defamed and denouced as a racist. You will suffer demands from leading Democrat political figures for your head to be placed on the end of a stake.
What all this shows is that the attacks on Limbaugh have nothing at all to do with race. They have everything to do with politics - everything. It is just one more example of how the left tries to win the contest of ideas by defamation. |
Oh yeah, the poor persecuted conservatives. 
Don Cherry, a TV hockey commentator, is definitely not politically correct.
People attack him all the time for what he says, and he still has his job. Why? Because he has credibility (He's a former coach of the Boston Bruins).
About six months ago, Cherry went on a rant, attacking the Canadian government for not supporting the US invasion of Iraq. CBC executives wanted to fire him, but they couldn't because he's got tonnes of support from hockey fans. Even the fans who disagreed with him, like me, said he should stay.
Limbaugh has no credibility. He's just a racist loud mouth.
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04-10-2003 05:52
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). Being able to scramble is good- like Jake Plummer yesterday. But you aren't going to win superbowls by running. You need to be a good passer. The exception may be Trent Dilfer. But even he was a good passer- not great, but good. Underrated in my opinion. He made the throws when he had to.
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