14-10-2003 23:33									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician as a note: ive started looking at my partners turns again in at least one game that is NOT against SAR (gumpold).

Is it in a game against the Ancients? Because if it is I explicitly... allow it

	15-10-2003 02:15									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen Is it in a game against the Ancients? Because if it is I explicitly... allow it

it is. but i explicitly forbid you to allow it.

	15-10-2003 05:37									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen Do you imply somehow that I am rediculus?

Of course I don't think your rediculus. Beleive it or not, your one of my favorite CTP dudes Only your argument was well ... ok maybe not totally rediculus.

quote: YOU CAN'T DEMAND SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN THE RULES I thought it was clear

You can demand anything you want, you just may not get what you demand.

quote: Pay more attention, will you I have already posted that I am elastic in the openning my partner's turn issue.

Ok then, I stand corrected, I never noticed your saying that before. Every time it seemed to be kind of like you wouldn't agree to any elasticity on this point. I must have missed something as you say.

quote: It would completely wipe out one of the most important aspects of PBEM multiplayer: Diplomacy.

Any type of Diplomatic game can have ground rules, we just didn't set them here, and I was trying to set some bounds to help with the complaint I got.

As for the stuff about looking at various turns etc....
I would be happy if you look at all the turns you want, just not SAR turns.

And for out-of-game collaberation, even Gumpold said he would do that at some point. So I figure that is ok.

As for this subject in general. It just should be remembered to make sure the collaberation ground rules are set at the beginning. It kind of blind sided me because I didn't see this come up before in the previous super league.

I think we are pretty much in agreement now though. Seems like anyway. Maybe not happy about it but in agreement never the less.

	15-10-2003 14:53									#64
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does that mean full cooperation after civs have met ?
gumpold ?

	15-10-2003 19:35									#65
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quote: Originally posted by checkMate You can demand anything you want, you just may not get what you demand.

So we somehow say the same thing with different words Only the details are a little different

quote: Originally posted by checkMate Ok then, I stand corrected, I never noticed your saying that before. Every time it seemed to be kind of like you wouldn't agree to any elasticity on this point. I must have missed something as you say.

I guote two excerpts from a previous post of mine:

quote: Originally posted by Keygen If you can actually convince me for the reasoning behind your request not to open my partner's turn I might be able to go with it

This is the first sign of elasticity though it doesn't seem like in the first look.

quote: Originally posted by Keygen but not to collaborate with my partner by exchanging information between us is out of the question.

This is defenetly lack of elesticity.

quote: Originally posted by checkMate and I was trying to set some bounds to help with the complaint I got.

Yes, you said that. From that point of view you did well
You just was the receiver of my arguments

quote: Originally posted by checkMate As for the stuff about looking at various turns etc.... I would be happy if you look at all the turns you want, just not SAR turns. And for out-of-game collaberation, even Gumpold said he would do that at some point. So I figure that is ok.

OK, after having put some thought on the subject I decided not to look at my partner's turn in my 2x2 game against SAR or exchange any email regarding giving directions of my location to him. But I will fully collaborate with him when ever I judge it is needed to.
As I don't want others to have advantages over me in that sort of games that way I shouldn't either have advantages over my opponents. Since gumpold won't look at its partner's turn no matter what I do I won't either as it could give to my team a tremendous advantage. I can say for sure that I have no recollection of Max's starting location.