06-10-2003 20:38									#1
	Bug: Apolyton Clock Increase Your PM Length

The Apolyton Clock is wrong.

It does not take into account Daylight Savings Time, which is applied in most parts of the world.

This results in a lot of confusion about time zones, chat times, etc.

Suggestion to change this:

(edited for all the colour-haters)

1) Use GMT as standard. GMT does not change with daylight savings time.

Let every member choose his own time from a dropdown menu: GMT, GMT+1, GMT+2, ... (etc) --> without specifying locations.

or

2) Use London time as a standard. London time is GMT including daylight savings, meaning London is GMT in winter and GMT+1 in summer.

Then, let every member choose his time zone relative to London.

or

3) Automatically adjust the clock (and the GMT reference) with Daylight Savings. This is done for "Apolyton time" (whatever that is), but the display of the time zones is wrong: for example, during summer, it reads "GMT" instead of "GMT +1" for London.


I hope this bug can be fixed easily.

Last edited by BigFurryMonster on 07-10-2003 at 00:03

	06-10-2003 20:43									#2
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Hmmm, why don't you go into your control panal and have it display whatever time you want.

	06-10-2003 20:44									#3
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See number 3) in the post above (which I probably added after your reply). The GMT reference does not match my location's time zone at this moment.

	06-10-2003 21:20									#4
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I think there is a bug causing silly colours to appear in BFM's posts. I'd rather that was fixed.

	06-10-2003 21:24									#5
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I see it as yellow, and it's quite hard to read.

	06-10-2003 21:28									#6
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quote: Originally posted by rah I see it as yellow, and it's quite hard to read.

Quite. Though someone will inevitably post to say it looks ok in style x.

	06-10-2003 21:51									#7
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Why don't you use a color readable by all styles?

	06-10-2003 21:55									#8
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I mean there are ways of using the Quote Color Which should be no problem reading from any style. Or you can

Invert colors

But you shouldn't use any fixed colors as they can look bad in other styles.

	06-10-2003 22:38									#9
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I love how people whine about things that they can easily fix by themselves in the current options settings...

And I really hate when they offer suggestions in almost impossible to read colors

	07-10-2003 01:04									#10
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I love you all. Thank you for your kind and supportive words.

There. I fixed the colours. Now please consider my suggestions.

Ming -- I'm not trying to "whine". I'm trying to report a bug. One which cannot be fixed by the current options settings.

	07-10-2003 01:12									#11
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I believe that chaning the system to be GMT based would probably be more work than it's worth. The problem is only when the timezone the server is in swhiches from DTS, but other timezones still are in DTS and vice versa, and it should not span over more than two months per year. I think Ii can live with it.

	07-10-2003 01:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Ming -- I'm not trying to "whine". I'm trying to report a bug. One which cannot be fixed by the current options settings.

Uhhhh... you can set your personal time to reflect ANY time you wish. So what if you have to make a simple adjustment twice a year... And if you have to select a region you aren't in because of a one hour difference to make your local time correct... no big deal.

The owners put in a lot of time and effort on this site. That time should be spent on things that can't be fixed... unlike this, which anybody can fix for themselves with very little effort.

Now granted... many of the comments posted in this thread probably appear harsher than they were intended because you can't see all the smiles... winks.. and lol's...

Oh... and this is a wink

	07-10-2003 01:43									#13
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Hmmm, this doesn't qualify for a bug since it's intentional. (a wink)

	07-10-2003 01:46									#14
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Right now the farking clock is of no importance. Use your own clock. Gee, images go screwy and someone starts a campaign for a little issue like the system time. Please, some realistic ideas now.

	07-10-2003 03:44									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Right now the farking clock is of no importance. Use your own clock. Gee, images go screwy and someone starts a campaign for a little issue like the system time. Please, some realistic ideas now.

: b :: b : b :

	07-10-2003 05:44									#16
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Hey, I actually agree with Ras on this.

:b:

	07-10-2003 11:51									#17
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Okay, okay, I'll pretend to be in London then. But don't be surprised if I'm too late for chat!

	07-10-2003 12:20									#18
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There is no GMT + 13 time, so in summer all of my times are off by an hour.

This is no trouble in winter (I can set it to GMT +11). In summer I never get the correct time when looking at posts.

It is currently GMT +13 now, FYI.

	07-10-2003 14:58									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Hey, I actually agree with Ras on this.

I'm sure there's many issues we both can agree on.

BFM,

that's not a real excuse really. Simple maths. Earlier this year I had to quickly count in my head what time it was in EST, due to my clan membership, so I had to keep track when matches and scrimmages are. And when you do that live on TeamSpeak (speak about times), then you quickly pick it up. Really, you have to admit that's not an issue. Even less of an issue if we would switch to Swatch Internet Times and start measuring time in Beats.

	07-10-2003 18:38									#20
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lol Indeed.

All they need to do to "fix" this properly is just add some more times to the time list (such as +13 for example) so that anyone can pick the right time, even if the server thinks they are in a different country.

	08-10-2003 00:48									#21
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Hmmm...I thought that this forum was for reporting bugs about Apolyton and discussing ways to make Apolyton a better experience for everybody.

Sad to see that in recent threads, people get flamed for doing just that.

Nobody says that a thread in this forum means that the poster demands immediate action. On the contrary, a post in this forum should be taken a assistance to the owners. Sort of a "kicking ideas around" kind of thing.

But apparently some people are too busy finding things to criticize, too appreciate that a thread in this forum, however insignificant, is genuinely meant as an assistance to the community as a whole.

Asmodean

	08-10-2003 05:55									#22
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C'mon, Asmo. :-) You should know that we didn't mean anything bad with the criticism. Of course the thingy mentioned by BFM has some importance, but right now it feels very minor.

	08-10-2003 06:35									#23
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Well this is the only ongoing bug at Poly that annoys me, and there is no way around it. Makes life in Democracy Games utter hell at times. I take Ming's point about just changing the time option every now and again, but that is not an option for us Kiwis (no GMT+13).

So, instead of asking for some probably difficult like automatic taking-into-account of daylight savings, can I request an easier way to fix this problem - can some Administrator please add a GMT+13 line to the list of possible times?

Honestly, it's bad enough I have to learn what all your silly little past timezones are without having to remember that mine is wrong too!

	08-10-2003 07:01									#24
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Attention all New Zealanders:

PM me if you want me to help you get a +13 timezone.

	08-10-2003 12:22									#25
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Thanks, Asmodean. That was indeed the intention of this thread.

If the drop-down list can be adjusted easily I suggest to remove all locations from it -- just work with GMT, GMT+1, ... , GMT+13.

	08-10-2003 17:22									#26
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Why?
I'm sure there are a lot of people that need to see the location because they're not sure what the + is for their timezone.

	08-10-2003 19:02									#27
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Because it'll be correct then.

But you've got a point -- maybe it can be made something like this:

GMT +1 - London (summer). Paris (winter)
GMT +2 - Paris (summer), Athens (winter)
...

	08-10-2003 21:39									#28
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Rah,

they can look it up elsewhere. Just add a hyperlink to Time and Date.com next to the drop down menu and voilá. No problem at all.

	09-10-2003 03:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by rah Why? I'm sure there are a lot of people that need to see the location because they're not sure what the + is for their timezone.

But how does the current system help any, what with you ending up at the wrong time if you use the correct location...

	09-10-2003 04:14									#30
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I have a solution to GMT +13 problem. Ban the Kiwis