06-10-2003 21:51									#1
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quote: Saturday, Oct. 4, 2003 10:39 a.m. EDT N.Y. Times Retracts Arnold Hitler Bombshell The New York Times issued a de facto retraction on Saturday after misreporting two days earlier that Arnold Schwarzenegger once said he admired Adolf Hitler for what he did with his power. In early Friday editions, the so-called paper of record quoted the California gubernatorial front-runner as saying, "I admire [Hitler] for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it." Schwarzenegger's critics used the toxic quote to suggest he approved of the Holocaust. But an actual transcript of outtakes from Schwarzenegger's 1975 bodybuilding classic, "Pumping Iron," shows that what the actor actually said was exactly the opposite: "I didn't admire [Hitler] for what he did with it." The incendiary Schwarzenegger quote was corrected by the film's producer, George Butler, during an interview Friday where he admitted he misquoted the GOP front-runner in a 1997 book proposal. Butler told the Times that the error stemmed from the fact that the book proposal quote, which was widely circulated after the Times and ABC News published the bogus story, had "dropped a few words." The full and corrected Schwarzenegger quote, which was printed by the Times on Saturday, went like this: "In many ways I admired people — It depends for what. I admired Hitler for instance because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for his way of getting to the people and so on. "But I didn't admire him for what he did with it. It is very hard to say who I admired and who are my heroes. And I admired basically people who are powerful people, like Kennedy. Who people listen to and just wait until he comes out with telling them what to do. People like that I admire a lot." Butler couldn't explain how he made the mistake, telling the Times, "I am amazed that something like that escaped me." But what's perhaps more amazing is that the Times, ABC News and the rest of the mainstream press ran wih a bogus story they knew could severly damage Schwarzenegger's reputation without verifying the poisonous quote.

	06-10-2003 21:56									#2
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Probably too late to save him now.

I wonder what would happen to the runoff election if Davis resigned right now?

	06-10-2003 21:58									#3
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Probably the same sort of crap going on with molestation dilly... Dems play hardball exceptionally well

I voted for Arnold...

	06-10-2003 22:00									#4
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He still ahead in the lattest poll and the Recall is winning 52% to 42%(most polls have put recall between the high of 60% to the low of 52%).
These stories came out too late to sick to him. With a day left I doubt davis can come back now. There is just not enough time.

	06-10-2003 22:01									#5
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I don't personally care whether Arnie becomes gov or not of Cali, specially as I don't live there. I do, however, hate to see the Repugs rewarded for playing dirty.

Davis should resign.

	06-10-2003 22:01									#6
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"But what's perhaps more amazing is that the Times, ABC News and the rest of the mainstream press ran wih a bogus story they knew could severly damage Schwarzenegger's reputation without verifying the poisonous quote."

I don't think that's amazing at all. The press does stufff like this all the time.

	06-10-2003 22:03									#7
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Not during the last days of a campaign they don't.

	06-10-2003 22:05									#8
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With a day left, and the fact that may people have already voted, about 2,000,000 people, I doubt Davis resigning would make a difference. Davis wants to hang on to power and I think in his head he thinks he can still win.

	06-10-2003 22:06									#9
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I voted last week, before any of these alligations came out... Man! If only I knew he didn't idolize Hitler I probably would of voted for Gary Coleman!

	06-10-2003 22:08									#10
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Why are the republicans blamed for playing dirty?

This quote came from the NY Times, didn't they have that kerfluffle not too long ago with Jayson Blair?

Che, sure they do.

	06-10-2003 22:24									#11
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isn't schwarzenegger the republican's boy? why would they play dirty against their own boy?

	06-10-2003 22:26									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Probably too late to save him now.

His landslide may be somewhat smaller.
That's about it.

	06-10-2003 22:28									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed isn't schwarzenegger the republican's boy? why would they play dirty against their own boy?

They are not. All the republicans are now behind him. Its the democrats in there last days in power that are playing dirty.

	06-10-2003 22:55									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Why are the republicans blamed for playing dirty?

Because they've been trying to disenfranchise the Democratic party voters. The recall in Cali is part of the same strategy as the gerrymandering in Texas and the vote fraud in Florida. The Repugs don't care about winning the game fairly anymore.

quote: This quote came from the NY Times, didn't they have that kerfluffle not too long ago with Jayson Blair?

Blair is a minor, unimportant figure, actually. Despite the hoopla given by some about Blair being allowed to get away with writing fake stories because he is Black, several white writers who made up stories are still on the NYT's staff, including the yahoo who flogged the Whitewater and Wen Ho Lee stories which both turned out to be completely eroneous. These, however, were not released as October surprises.

	06-10-2003 22:57									#15
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quote: The Repugs don't care about winning the game fairly anymore.

No Repug is playing dirty though. You need to see the commercials they are airing (both sides). All the Dems do is attack Arnold... They don't do anything but (except for Busta who has about a 3 sec speal on Vote No on The Recall, before he bashes Arnold and says vote for me)...

The Dems are the only ones fighting dirty here.

	06-10-2003 22:58									#16
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chegitz guevara
Will you say the same thing if the recall wins 60-40 and Arnold gets 40% of the vote?

	06-10-2003 23:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www chegitz guevara Will you say the same thing if the recall wins 60-40 and Arnold gets 40% of the vote?

Yup.

	06-10-2003 23:04									#18
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yup.

Why? This could have never happened if people were not mad at Davis for what he has done to the state. I am talking about what he has done after the Nov 2002 election, not to mention what he did before that. You cant get 2,000,000 people to sign the petition to get the recall started if people were happy with Davis.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher No Repug is playing dirty though.

Dan Issa played dirty, by funding the recall effort.

Course, if Arnie wins, the Dems are gonna do the same thing, initiating a recall against Arnie.

I feel sorry for you Californians. Stuck between Davis and Arnie.

Y'all really need to fix that recall amendment. It's a good idea but its badly implimented.

	06-10-2003 23:07									#20
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I think around 15,000,000 voters will come to the polls, that means anther recall effort will need at least 1.5 million signitures. I doubt a anther recall will work. As for Issa, he just speed up the process more.

	06-10-2003 23:09									#21
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Do you think anyone will bother to turn the ballot over and vote on prop 53 and 54? Will be interesting to see what the counts are on these issues. 53 and 54 are just as important (if not more so) than the recall...

	06-10-2003 23:10									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Do you think anyone will bother to turn the ballot over and vote on prop 53 and 54? Will be interesting to see what the counts are on these issues. 53 and 54 are just as important (if not more so) than the recall...

Well I voted on both prop 53 and 54.

	06-10-2003 23:11									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www Why? This could have never happened if people were not mad at Davis . . .

I don't think 40% is good enough to be elected to office. Y'all should have instant run-off, so you can at least get someone in who has majority support.

I also think Davis is being unfairly blamed for the budget short-fall, considering the Feds have practically cut the states off. The Federal budget is massively in arrears, and so are 38 other states.

I've never liked Davis, btw, and I'm happy enough to see him go. Nor do I think Arnie's politics are all that bad, considering. But there doesn't seem to be a respect for the democratic process. That's what concerns me most.

The Repugs have started something ugly, which is now going to be used perpetually as a weapon by both sides. The recall succeeded because a million pumped millions of dollars in, hiring out of state consultants to gather signatures. Though it tapped into a deep dissatisfaction, I doubt it was capable of sustaining itself without money and outsiders. Now the Dem's are gonna do the same thing if Arnie wins, and it will just keep gonig until the law gets fixed.

	06-10-2003 23:13									#24
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Because they've been trying to disenfranchise the Democratic party voters. The recall in Cali is part of the same strategy as the gerrymandering in Texas and the vote fraud in Florida.

Are the Republicans to blame for Progessive era reforms made in the early 20th Century?

quote: Dan Issa played dirty, by funding the recall effort.

Oh come on, che! If 1.5 million is all it takes to throw a governor out of office, Cali. wouldn't have had one last a year. IIRC, these things have been going on since Reagan was governor there.

	06-10-2003 23:15									#25
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Well if you combine the Mclintock and Arnold vote it totals up to 55% of the vote. And who knows what the final results will be in the end. As far as recall being using again, it has already been tryed 35 times against a sitting governor since it has been past, and is used against local office holders a lot. I doubt this will result in more recalls of the governor.

	06-10-2003 23:19									#26
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Che, I agree that the recall is a nasty weapon that will now be exploited. It's a political pandora's box if you wish. Yet, it was installed through democratic processes so I don't see how it is a demise of the system. Yes it needs to be fixed, but that is the beauty of our system, is it not?

For once, I will also agree that there should be a majority vote here... Don't quote me, this is the only time... Maybe that is how we can fix the recall measure.

Davis is being blamed for the budget problem, and it is wrong. Yet, when there is less to spend what is spent needs to be looked at more closely.

Billion dollar contracts to Texan Electrical distributers and gas collectors is rediculous, and he messed up there, and hasn't even apologized for it.

Millions of dollars to Sheriffs and other special interest groups when they don't need the money.

Taking money from education.

Raising taxes and fees on everything from bubble gum to cars.

Giving illegals political rights.

many countless other things...

The guy needs to be outed, even if he isn't to blame for the deficit, he didn't help any. It is just easier to tell the stupid public this...

One thing I think is funny is that they are using the budget deficit as campeign boost for the Dems, claiming the have spent less than anyone in the past... No sheit! Because there is no money, you spent it all in your first term on Texas!!!

Crimeny.

	06-10-2003 23:26									#27
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Actually Japher the rate payers are paying for the contracts not the tax payers. The problem was that they spent money like there was no tommorrow and did not think that the internet boom would bust. Even with that, the state still took in more taxes then when Davis was first in office. The problem is that spending outpaced the increase in the taxes coming in.

	06-10-2003 23:27									#28
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I think the way California is doing the recall the election is stupid. Recalling the governor because people don't like him is using a good idea ( the power to recall) for bad purposes.

che, I think your saying the repulicans playing dirty is selective critizism. I know you don't like many dems either but dont be like Arianna Huffington and use it as an excuss to trash people. All of them are equally worthless. I watched the debate on TV and the only people there that actually talked about solutions were McClintock and the green canidate.

The recall thing has to be gotten under control before this becomes a trend..

	06-10-2003 23:27									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf "But what's perhaps more amazing is that the Times, ABC News and the rest of the mainstream press ran wih a bogus story they knew could severly damage Schwarzenegger's reputation without verifying the poisonous quote." I don't think that's amazing at all. The press does stufff like this all the time.

I thought that they did just the opposite. Not verifying a story can lead to libel suits.

The problem here is that no one even asked Butler to verify the quotes or reported that Butler originally said that Arnold was anti-Nazi.

It clearly was a malicious political attack on Arnold done not for informational purposes at all.

	06-10-2003 23:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I don't personally care whether Arnie becomes gov or not of Cali, specially as I don't live there. I do, however, hate to see the Repugs rewarded for playing dirty. Davis should resign.

It makes no difference if he does. The vote still goes ahead and is binding.

Davis had it made until he started bringing in Gore etc. and doing the "vast right wing conspiracy" crap of a nationwide Republicans stealing elections. Davis barely beat Simon, whose politics are anathema in California, because people disliked Davis so much already.

Instead of either shutting up and dropping out of sight and letting the circus atmosphere make people leery of the recall, or else verbally accepting responsibility for his failures, Davis kept up the same old BS of foisting the blame off on someone else - and it's backfired on him.

Besides, how did the Republicans play dirty?