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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:31
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Before I say anything, I would like to congratulate everyone for remaining semi-civil, these topics normally explode to the point that everyone just calls everyone else names without even discussing the argument at hand.
1). The figures are right about most of the money bieng used fro the military. As far as procurment (as this is what I do) we have SECURED (that is important in the world of military spending) funds for Carriers, the Littoral Warfare Ships, the converisn of 2 SLBM sub to SLGN subs, The Destroyer program is on track and paid for. Joint Strike Fighter is a go, F-22 was saved, as well as research none of us will know about for some time. We know were the money is going, and it is not so much an extra expediture as a restoring the stripped military budget from the Clinton years to its needed level. The current level is no where near the highest it has been.
2). As far as pissing away money we could be using here in the states, liberals have would piss it away far faster here than Iraq could ever do. They have perfected sink hole spending for 30 years. I find it HILARIOUS that liberal/socialist/eurocom whatever you ares are critisizing a conservative Republican administration for throwing money away on hopeless programs. Talk about hipocrits. BTW, anyone here have any idea how many people are employed building a Destroyer, how about an Aircraft Carrier. Money on the military filters down (not 100%) because guess who we buy the majority of our stuff from.
3). Anyone also want to guess what it cost to play the Iraq thing the UN way for the last twelve years. We are talking at least one carrier battlegroup In the Persian Gulf at any one time. The airbases and forward deployed aircraft and troops, logistics staff, etc. ect. We easily spent over 200 billion a year maintaining those forces but that was Okay with you all. And occupation (especially when we can't do it right because we have interferance from whiny no nothing punks) takes time, it was expected to take a few years. Despite what you heard from anyone, the military always knew this (bieng obvious and all).
4). And then there is that whole thing about there being no action that would please most of you. No matter what Bush did we would still be on a similar thread listining to you spout rhetoric fron an idealogical rather than pragmatic standpoint. World sucks, people die, wars happen. Just because most of you posters live in little bubbles of peace and prosperity maintained by the very people you attack so often doesn't mean the outside word works that way.
And lastly, you know that whole Bosnia thing where it was so important that we help them out (and it was), there is no differance between what happened there and Iraq. We need to be there.
And a personal note form me. All the Euros who bach at our insistance on being in contol of the Iraq operation. We are the best at this whole military thing. We pay for NATO and the UN anyways, our terms are not outrageous. UN had a plan to deal with Saddam and Iraq, it was stupid and doomed to fail and did. Ours is working, however slowely, get over it. UN did nothing but prove its incompotence, ineptitude, and deadlock over the last decade and now you want to be in charge? Are you kidding. Even when the UN does these operations most of the troops are American, under American commanders by your own mandate anyways. Stupid.
(btw, I am on an 8 hour watch right now and have nothing better to do, so excuse the rant. Feel free to use whatever ammunition you think this gave you  )
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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:31
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Is that an English flag I see, how many of your ships did the Argentines sink? I am glad you enjoy laughing at the casualties of your allies, I will leave the smilies out of my comment because it wasn't funny.
Vietnam had nothing to do with our lack of military skill, it was that our leaders didn't have enough political skill to let us use it. in there defense though, they were only liberal democrats, can't expect too much out of them. (even with their interferance 56,000 to 2 million over 12 years makes Vietnam one of our best on record by the numbers. 2 million is Vietnams number btw, ours is 3).
By the way, Vietnam is a perfect example of what happens when we let people such as yourself, Cruddy, have imput inot military/political desicions. Thank you for illustrating that brilliantly with your acinine comment.
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TheStinger
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International crime fighting playboy
Apr 2002
time: 05:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Patroklos
Is that an English flag I see, how many of your ships did the Argentines sink? I am glad you enjoy laughing at the casualties of your allies, I will leave the smilies out of my comment because it wasn't funny.
Vietnam had nothing to do with our lack of military skill, it was that our leaders didn't have enough political skill to let us use it. in there defense though, they were only liberal democrats, can't expect too much out of them. (even with their interferance 56,000 to 2 million over 12 years makes Vietnam one of our best on record by the numbers. 2 million is Vietnams number btw, ours is 3).
By the way, Vietnam is a perfect example of what happens when we let people such as yourself, Cruddy, have imput inot military/political desicions. Thank you for illustrating that brilliantly with your acinine comment. |
Ignorant american, that is a UK flag.
They sank quite a few of our ships whilst our allies bravely sold us weapons.
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