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Googlie
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Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:31
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You really need to have someone specializing in covert intelligence - and make use of that in planning contacts/trades, etc..
From your 2141 start file (ie before you broke pact) you have access to the PEACE infiltration on other factions.
Thus, here is your information obtained from the PEACE Hive data (remember, it's commlink, right click on Voltaire, profile, drop down the screen to the PEACE icon, and voila:
.jpg)
From that you see that:
The Hive is pacted with the Drones
The Hive has 3 of the 4 techs you are discussing trading to the Drones (look to the bottom left box in the screenshot):
biogenetics
Doc mobility
doc flexibility
Obviously (?) the Drones have had the opportunity of aquiring these from the Hive, and have either not done so because:
- they don't need them and don't want to clutter up their current research rate
- they have no techs remaining to trade to the Hive
You know the latter isn't true, as the Drones start with Industrial Base, which you can see from that screen that the Hive do not have.
So you know that they are not just blindly trading techs, but have either witheld some, either for strategic reasons (but the Drones have built the Merchant Exchange, so that's unlikely), or for tactical reasons (co-ordinated research, perhaps - you'll also see that the Hive has Industrial Automation, so must have bypassed Ind Base thru tactical trading to get there)
This should make your contact offer much more meaningful, speaking as you are from a position of much more knowledge than you otherwise thought you had.
G.
Last edited by Googlie on 12-10-2003 at 21:17
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:31
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I have a PM here that I'll send to Buster:
quote:
Greetings Forman Buster,
Allow me to introduce myself; I am Prime Function Drogue Beta-8 of the Cybernetic Consciousness. Our recon rover has just met your scout, wandering westwards. I come to start diplomatic relations, if you are amenable.
Firstly, I propose a treaty between our two factions. This seems a logical choice, both for commerce and safety, but also for trade. The CyCon are also amenable if you would like to start tech trading. We have a few techs we believe you lack, and were wondering if you have some we may not? We have Biogenetics, Doc: Mobility and Doc: Flexibility to trade, that we believe you do not have. We also have the commlink for the Believers, that we are willing to trade for the Hive’s commlink? Would you be amenable to a world map exchange too? Just a few ideas.
Our External Affairs Function is DBTS at the moment, however he is not *very* active, therefore if you could CC communique's to me it would be appreciated. With whom should we contact on your side regarding diplomacy?
I bid wisdom and good fortune to your faction,
Yours,
Prime Function Drogue Beta-8 |
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:31
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Ok. Buster has asked in Googlie's thread about the resignation. I wanted to PM an answer, and in doing so, I have written about the whole affair, trying to be as unbiased as possible. Can I send this too him, or should I try to cut it down to just explain about Googlie's resignation and what PEACE said to him? I wanted to say why they were angry too, otherwise they will tell him.
Edit: I will PM this to buster:
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From Googlie's resignation thread. I thought it better to PM a reply, as it is sensitive.
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I have not heard these allegations so I have no idea what is being referred to. |
It’s a complex matter. Basically, the CyCon did something that PEACE thought was in breach of the rules. Googlie ruled that it wasn't. PEACE accused, in the heat of the moment, Googlie of being biased and launched personal attacks. I do not know exactly what was said by PEACE, or by whom, as it was in their forum or by PM.
Googlie said to me in a PM, when I asked about it "I think that CMN/PEACE relations are so sour that I can't continue in the CMN role."
If I am authorised by my fellow CyCon’s, I will explain to you the problem that caused this and events leading up to it.
I am very sorry for the part we have played in this. We obviously did not intend for any of it to happen. I have PMed Googlie about it, and his reply is included at the bottom.
Yours,
Drogue
quote:
PM from Googlie regarding his resignation
Thanks Drogue.
I don't mind decisions being questioned, or argued with - after all, it is a democracygame.
But I have scrupulously tried to be neutral in all of this, and to have allegations of bias as well as personal attacks .... well, I'm too long in the tooth to let them seriously bother me, but I think that CMN/PEACE relations are so sour that I can't continue in the CMN role.
Good luck in the game
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Should I include Googlie's PM in it? It was a personal PM, but I think buster needs to know why Googlie left?
Last edited by Drogue on 15-10-2003 at 00:13
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:31
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If you agree, I will PM him with a longer explanation:
quote:
Here is a bit more insight into the actual problem:
The incident was a diplomatic one. They pre-accepted a tech offer, and sent a PM to DBTS about a deal. We did not know of the PM when we got the turn, and thought the tech it was a gift, as the tech they gave us was one we were researching, and the next tech we were to discover was one we owed to them, that we would then get quicker. Therefore, after checking with Googlie that it was inside the rules, we accepted it.
I will admit we were too hasty in accepting it without getting confirmation, but you have to look at our past diplomacy with PEACE. The relationship was already extremely rocky, since earlier they had played us off against other factions in demanding more, while Pacted. We had to delay our turn many times due to their negotiations leaving until the last minute and then demanding more. We know they are out to win, and so that did not really affect us much. Then in negotiations, one of their members accused me of planting viruses on their computers, and started a personal attack against me. This soured relations greatly. We tried to work through this, but found both sides had lost trust too much, so had decided to reduce relations to a treaty. Then this came up, and we decided that since I could not play the turn on time if we waited long enough for a reply, that we would accept it. It was pre-accepted, and we thought that meant they accepted the deal as it was on the table.
- To be fair, it is not like we were model pact mates either. Due to an error, when DBTS, who is not particularly active, played the turn while I was away, and choose the wrong tech to research, meaning we could not pay PEACE back the tech we intended to. And I will admit, after the incident with JDM, we were less friendly, and did end up trading with another faction once instead of PEACE. We are far from blameless ourselves.
Then we received a PM from PEACE asking what had happened, and why we had accepted it. They asked Googlie to remove the CyCon from the game, and gift our bases to PEACE over time as the aggrieved party. Googlie ruled, as he had said to us, that there was no rule in this DG against accepting a pre-accepted tech, even though it is apparently common practice for most PBEMs (none of the CyCon team are regular PBEM players, and so do not know any unwritten rules regarding this). PEACE then accused Googlie of bias and started “personal attacks” (Googlie’s words). However he said this was not his reason for leaving, he reason being that he couldn’t be CMN when one faction no longer trusted him.
I would ask that you keep this PM pretty secret, as it is sensitive information. PEACE have said they wish to publish on the main forum, as they have all the commlinks, their side of events. However I do not wish to mudsling. I admit we have done wrong, mostly without knowing it, but I have tried to explain some of the reasoning behind our actions. It was a relatively unsportsmanlike behaviour, but to be honest, with the way we feel we have been treated by PEACE, we did not feel like being particularly sportsmanlike. As Googlie stated, and looking at the rules page, there is no rule against what we did, and we did not realise there was any ‘normal’ PBEM rule against it.
Sorry for the long PM, but I thought you should be bought up to speed on what has happened, and therefore I needed to explain why we did what we did.
Yours,
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12-10-2003 18:52
I wouldn't want to delay possible benefits we could get from negotiations. 
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