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Rasbelin
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Tampere (Tammerfors), Finland
Nov 1999
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Of course my ramblings have caused me to have a very negative reputation here, but on the other hand I'm talking seriously, but seen by some as a person who doesn't appriciate anything. Well, too bad, but I'm just trying to enlighten that there are better ways to do some of the business. And yes, I don't own this site, so I don't have that experience, but I have other experience. Nevertheless, just carry on using me as a laughing stock. Would have been abit more useful to discuss these issues openly and taking them as serious ideas, but I guess that would be too much asked.
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Tamerlin
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Toulouse (South-western France)
Apr 2002
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by Rasbelin
Non aggressive?  |
As the pop-ups can be blocked by any pop-up killer I consider they are not aggressive... 
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Advertising that causes Claria to be installed or which fills your screen with ads is what I call aggressive marketing. In general pop-up ads are something else than non aggressive. It's not a farking thing you can be thankful for, unless you're a complete nutter that allows almost anything to happen with your system, just for the sake of one website (...which you seem to be, by praising these pop-ups... just my 0,05 €). |
You should keep in mind that most of the posters, including myself, are not computer scientists... which does not mean they are nutters. A word that does not help to further a friendly talk by the way. 
That does not prevent me from using a firewall, an anti-virus and to regularly scan my system to remove various spywares. 
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It's not a farking thing you can be thankful for... |
I am not thankful for the pop-ups but for the Apolyton team... 
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I have several times explained how other better alternatives could be used to fund a large site like ACS. Of course money rules here too! Darn, keeping ACS isn't of course free, so one has to find efficient ways to cover the costs. Pop-ups aren't with their current payouts, which have decreased since the big Internet boom. The money doesn't go directly to ACS. The biggest portion goes to 3rd parties like online advertising agencies. The best payout is certainly by CafePress' merchandise.
Even better (100%) would be from donations, paid extra services and sponsored special memberships. As users block pop-ups and don't buy the products/services marketed by these ads, ACS doesn't get a one single dime. No matter if you would be having your screen filled with God know how many pop-ups, just for the sake of ACS! Yes, some do pay for views, but that's not much and it has decreased since the boom. Not even clicks are worth that much. Getting people to buy is what gives the best payouts. But in the meantime one could have achieved that and more, by simply setting up more efficient ways. Just look at some very popular sites like Something Awful and Salon.com, not to mention zounds of others. |
I can't argue with you about this subject as this is a matter I don't know as well as you do... but there is one think I know, it is that I appreciate a free ACS. 
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:31
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we didn't need popups when this place was branching threads.
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Kahn
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Out of curiosity has anyone here ever bought any product advertised by a pop-up?
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:31
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MarkG: I'm having some difficulty with that, I have read all the documentation on this site that seemed relevant that I could find and nowhere could I find as a condition of using this site that I must use software to access that does not have pop-up blockers, or not have pop-up blockers enabled etc. Perhaps you could point me to a URL I missed?
Furthermore all of this is at "my end", so to speak, so my computer. My browser, to my knowledge (Mozilla 1.6 and occasionally Firebird 0.7 on Win2000 Pro) does not send any different data back to apolyton based on pop-up blockers or not, and if it does, I cannot see it adversely affecting the service.
You send the data packets to me, and the way I see things, it is up to me (and my comp) how I use them for myself providing they do not impact the service or other users, which I do not believe they do.
A good analogy would be commercial TV. I watch the programmes, but switch as soon as the adverts come on. That is not abusing the service, because the TV companies must factor in the possibility the people are not going to watch the adverts continuously, perhaps switch, or get up and eat biscuits. IMO it is unreasonable to expects ones advertisements to be exposed to 100% of the people that use the medium those ad's use.
Also consider that dividing the income from pop-ups by the users and saying that "Whaleboy, you're not pulling your weight" is a bit  since I never buy anything from them anyway, so the value is discrete for each person... 0 or 1..2..3. For me, it is 0. OTOH, I use the links when buying games etc.
If the cost is too much, presumably for the most part with the forum software, there are, I believe some open source alternatives.
But yeah, if I'm wrong and there is a condition of use here that I must view the pop-ups, then please show me and I will cease use.
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