20-10-2003 03:00									#31
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Die Tony Die.

	20-10-2003 03:16									#32
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Get well Tony! It would be a shame if Britain and the world were to lose this great man of principle.

	20-10-2003 03:28									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi this great man of principle.

	20-10-2003 03:30									#34
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I think that means "guy who agrees with me" Spiff.

	20-10-2003 03:38									#35
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Well, FP, I can concede that Bush is somehow a guy of principle, or that Schröder has a few principles... But Blair ? Come on, this guy is more opportunistic than Chirac and Clinton combined, he's a whore as much as the Sun. He'll do anything and the opposite for (political) profit

	20-10-2003 04:03									#36
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All politicians are like that. At least, all the ones who get anywhere are.

	20-10-2003 04:17									#37
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You're right, but it's still fun to hear of Blair as a "man of principle" in Shi's post . I know every successful politician needs to be opportunistic, but Blair strikes me as being the Uber-opportunistic politician our world is having, more than every other successful pol..

	20-10-2003 06:11									#38
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I hopes he gets well, though.

	20-10-2003 06:17									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I hopes he gets well, though.

He's back in Downing Street, where he's resting according to the BBC. Heart problems are frequent at his age, especially for people who have a stressful job. I guess he'll have to check doctors more often, have a better diet, and delegate some responsibility work. With that, he should be fine until old age warrants real, serious problems.

Most people who suffer from serious / deadly heart problems at 50 generally don't take them seriously enough, and don't correct their lifestyle enough. Blair is an smart guy, and I'm pretty sure he'll avoid dying like that.

	20-10-2003 06:18									#40
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I don't.

	20-10-2003 06:21									#41
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Tony Blair has a heart?

	20-10-2003 06:32									#42
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You're not the first one to be surprised, AH

(I too wanted to make the lame joke, but I arrived much later than Orange )

	20-10-2003 06:34									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil Die Tony Die.

Die Tony Die. I pray for the excruciating death a war criminal deserves.

	20-10-2003 06:40									#44
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega Die Tony Die. I pray for the excruciating death a war criminal deserves.

Ditto. He's a hollow man, and George's ***** to boot.

	20-10-2003 07:30									#45
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega Die Tony Die. I pray for the excruciating death a war criminal deserves.

He is a traitor to his party and to the people of the UK. Most Brits didn't want to help Shrub's Phoney War, but he insisted on the "Saddam can launch WMDs in 45 minutes" BS.

DIE YOU JACKASS PSUDO-LIBRAL!!!

	20-10-2003 08:09									#46
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Jesus, I don't want him to ****ing die, just to ****ing step down.

You ****ing ****ers are too ****ing extremist, you look like a bunch of ****ing *******s to people.

Wait...6...of 30...damn.

	20-10-2003 08:18									#47
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He is a man of principle. He risked his job to do what he felt was right amongst enormus unpopularity.

	20-10-2003 09:20									#48
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The fact that ignorant people like you like him says it all.

	20-10-2003 09:39									#49
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Hell, I'll go on record and say I like him. Tony's leadership during the Kosovo war and being the only European leader to want to take military action to prevent the massacre of civilians during the Bosnian war (the rest of Europe's chattering classes just wanted to talk about their high mind ideals without ever actually lifting a finger to upold those values) makes him a great leader in my book. He's certainly much better then the last 2-3 PMs.

	20-10-2003 10:27									#50
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Despite the fact that Tony is a war criminal, he is still a human being. Don't wish death on anyone. It demeans the person you wish it upon and it demeans yourself in the eyes of others.

	20-10-2003 11:06									#51
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Despite the fact that Tony is a war criminal, he is still a human being. Don't wish death on anyone. It demeans the person you wish it upon and it demeans yourself in the eyes of others.

I am not here to make friends. I am here to let my opinion be known. I wish the man death, I wish Dubya and Cheney would die too, and Osama, Omar, and Hussein.

It is this way, and I am glad to see other people state it also, that way war lovers understand that the opposition to Iraq was more than just politics as usual. It was a deep seeded hatred that will not just go away.

	20-10-2003 12:03									#52
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Blair is certainly not hollow, nor a whore. He did what he had to do in this situation for the ultimate benefit of his country. If his career finally falls apart as a result... well, it will be his sacrifice for the cause. (Which cause is that is a matter of separate discussion.)

What is really bad for him is that (and if) he knowingly lied to justify the cause of action. But then the same equally applies to the American administration.

	20-10-2003 12:41									#53
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I think there are many things wrong with Tony Blair but I believe he is a man of principle.

He wanted to get rid of Saddam before GW was even running for president. He may have exagereated the intel on WMD but his principle was to get rid of Saddam.

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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega Die Tony Die. I pray for the excruciating death a war criminal deserves.

I think you've either been driven insane by the inflexibility of your own logic, or never possessed a sense of proportion to start with. Whether you agreed with his policies or not, it takes a surreal leap to label him a "war criminal".

Particularly since his military actions have been confined to rather monstrous regimes with genuinely appalling human rights records. If your personal set of principles means that such regimes should be left to continue the slaughter with nary more than a docking of their allowance, then your personal set of principles are not ones I would touch with a very long and very shitty stick.

	20-10-2003 13:41									#55
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I wish him well but I think the whole affair exposed his superficiality and mortally wounded him as a serious leader.

	20-10-2003 13:52									#56
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The reason I htink people find him superficial is that he thinks that certain things are right and wrong and he has a general wish for fairness. However he doesn;t have any deep seated "socialist" beleifs. As he dosen't want to resurect a class war he is seen as shallow.

	20-10-2003 13:55									#57
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But that makes him look shallow. He always looks like he's trying to please everybody and say the right thing even when he's doing something that will be controversial and divisive.

	20-10-2003 14:16									#58
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It may make him look shallow but it doesn't make him shallow. He used to be seen as pragmatic and that was a strenghth.

	20-10-2003 14:26									#59
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what Laz said.

	20-10-2003 14:49									#60
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Here's an extract from today's Lazblog on the subject.

quote: A scandal like this would not have taken place in the Thatcher years. Don't believe me? The nearest examples come from the Ponting affair where Parliament was deliberately and flagrantly misled and lied to over the cost of the Trident missile. We're not talking "sexing-up" here; it was planned and blatant lies. In the wake of that, the Official Secrets Act was used in a failed attempt to prosecute the whistle-blower (Clive Ponting) and from thereon in Thatcher declared open warfare against the media. The BBC, Channel 4 and several magazines used to get raided by Special Branch. It didn't seriously dent Thatcher's popularity though. Hell no- the electorate still wanted to wrap it's lips around her saggy old labia. The difference was that Blair always attempts to be the nice guy, whereas Thatcher didn't give a flying **** about what anybody thought and had no qualm about being overtly nasty. Don't think I'm being nostalgic about the 1980's, though. The fact that the evil old witch is gone is one that still gives me a warm rosy glow every morning. Still, if that's what the British public want, then why not deliver it? Perhaps it's the lingering effects of the public school systems, where canes whipped down onto quivering buttocks to be met with response "Thank you, Sir. May I have another?". Britain doesn't want to be cajoled and one over- it wants to be bully-bummed. So once Mr Blair is feeling well enough to return, he should drop the smart suits and big smile. Instead he should start deliver his speeches in full dominator gear- leathered up to the eyeballs, and waving a studded and unlubricated butt plug of epic proportions. Once he starts leering and rubbing his crotch, the tightly puckered little arseholes will start frantically winking in anticipation and the legions of middle England will be so keen to vote him back in that they'll be climaxing in the voting booths.