22-10-2003 03:48									#1
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My dad, before he died from a stroke when I was 19, had a heart attack when I was 10 years old and always had cholesterol problems.

I don't want to be in my dad's boat by the time I reach "blissful" middle age. Now, I always enjoyed eating meat, and never had problems eating the reccomended daily servings -- in fact, I eat more than I should on some days.


I want to decrease the amount of meat in my daily diet, and dramatically increase my intake of daily protein through a variety of types of beans.

The thing is though, I want to find delicious ways to include beans into my diet so I don't get sick of them. And what type of beans has the most protein per serving?

Also -- what type of beans is more enticing to the taste buds? And what SIMPLE dishes/recipes can you suggest that includes beans as the main course, instead of meat?

Thanks for any help -- don't know how successful I will be with this diet change.

	22-10-2003 03:52									#2
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Have curries with lentils in them.

	22-10-2003 03:53									#3
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Well, beans are a good substitute of meat, let's say that replacing 200 grams of meat with 80-100 grams of beans/lentils/alike is a good thing- just avoid fried stuff, fats and sweets, for the rest there's no big deal about meat, which can be replaced by fish and chicken btw

	22-10-2003 04:01									#4
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Beans are not a complete protein and can barely give you enough protein to grow. If you want to avoid eating tons of red meat eat fish and eggs. Use a protein powder with a good vanilla taste and add that 1 or 2 times a day, it's fast easy and tastes pretty good. If you have a family history of heart or elavated cholesterol problems make sure to exercise and avoid the bad fats and include oat bran as much as possible. If your already heavy, which I don't think you are, go with a lower carbs higher good fat approach. Make sure to space your meals out to be able to eat small amounts often and never just pig out. Most importantly monitor your blood pressure and cholesterol levels and keep in touch with the family doctor. Sometimes things are caused by genetics, but more often it's by nutrition and lifestyle, so you can control your own future.
As far as beans tasting good, make some 3 bean chilis and see what you like. Beans are a pretty individual taste. My wifey loves garbonzo beans and I think they are awful, but give em a try and see what you think. Also supplement nuts into your diet, they have some protein and taste good.

	22-10-2003 04:07									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Well, beans are a good substitute of meat, let's say that replacing 200 grams of meat with 80-100 grams of beans/lentils/alike is a good thing- just avoid fried stuff, fats and sweets, for the rest there's no big deal about meat, which can be replaced by fish and chicken btw

Oh, I don't plan to become a vegetarian. And thanks for your help.

	22-10-2003 04:09									#6
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quote: Originally posted by vlad Beans are not a complete protein and can barely give you enough protein to grow. If you want to avoid eating tons of red meat eat fish and eggs. Use a protein powder with a good vanilla taste and add that 1 or 2 times a day, it's fast easy and tastes pretty good. If you have a family history of heart or elavated cholesterol problems make sure to exercise and avoid the bad fats and include oat bran as much as possible. If your already heavy, which I don't think you are, go with a lower carbs higher good fat approach. Make sure to space your meals out to be able to eat small amounts often and never just pig out. Most importantly monitor your blood pressure and cholesterol levels and keep in touch with the family doctor. Sometimes things are caused by genetics, but more often it's by nutrition and lifestyle, so you can control your own future. As far as beans tasting good, make some 3 bean chilis and see what you like. Beans are a pretty individual taste. My wifey loves garbonzo beans and I think they are awful, but give em a try and see what you think. Also supplement nuts into your diet, they have some protein and taste good.

No thanks -- I don't want to supplement my diet with protein powder. I want to eat normal food.

But I swear that sometime ago, I heard about a type of bean that has high concentration of protein. Or am I mistaken??

thanks for your help

	22-10-2003 04:31									#7
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tapeworm diet

'nuff said

	22-10-2003 04:55									#8
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another way to decrease your intake of meat is to be a heterosexual

	22-10-2003 05:02									#9
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quote: another way to decrease your intake of meat is to be a heterosexual

Damn, you beat me to it!

Although I was going to tell him to lay off the kielbasa...

	22-10-2003 05:06									#10
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If you eat any meat at all, you don't have to worry about protien. Even if you go vegetarian, you don't have to worry about it as long as you have a varied diet. Protein is over hyped, the western diet has way more then you ever need in the first place.

	22-10-2003 05:20									#11
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I've cut down on red meat and usually have one all veg/fruit meal with whole wheat bread per day.

I'm also exercising a lot more then I did a few months ago... mostly swimming & dancing (which is exercising and partying at the same time !) .

In the last 6 months, my 52 yr. old brother-in-law has had a triple bi-pass and two heart attacks. A 86 yr. old uncle had a mild heart attack and a 96 yr. old great uncle had a fatal heart attack... OK, its a given if your 96 you're just looking for an excuse to die, but still...

	22-10-2003 05:26									#12
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I don't think a brother-in-law is a blood relative

	22-10-2003 05:34									#13
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Lenses are the real divine gift. One of the healthiest foods, and an excellent one at that (better with a tad of pork meat though)

	22-10-2003 06:02									#14
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Try finding some quinoa. Its an andean grainish thing that's small and round. Its got more protient than any other plant food-product and it tastes great (kind of crunchy and nutty) and is pretty much fat free. Works great in soups and stews (and goes well with Indian food for some bizarre reason).

	22-10-2003 06:15									#15
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Miso is easier to get and protein packed as well.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld If you eat any meat at all, you don't have to worry about protien. Even if you go vegetarian, you don't have to worry about it as long as you have a varied diet. Protein is over hyped, the western diet has way more then you ever need in the first place.

Read my entire initial post.

I'm not worried about not getting enough protein -- what I want to do, is change my diet to get protein from low-fat, low-cholesterol sources.

	22-10-2003 08:53									#17
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quote: Originally posted by vlad Beans are not a complete protein

...nor is rice. However, beans & rice together do make a complete protein.

I myself like lots of chicken, broiled or baked, not fried.

	22-10-2003 08:54									#18
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you guys beat me to all the gay jokes

and vlad gave good advice

	22-10-2003 09:17									#19
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I second the beans and rice.

beans contain most proteins, but lack one. Rice compliments that.

so feel free to eat beans and rice and be satisfied you are getting all your proteins.

	22-10-2003 18:47									#20
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My advice:

Leave the nuts alone. Dont touch them at all.
Don't even put them in your mouth.

	22-10-2003 18:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I second the beans and rice. beans contain most proteins, but lack one. Rice compliments that. so feel free to eat beans and rice and be satisfied you are getting all your proteins.

sounds good

But what type of rice has more protein -- wild rice, white rice, brown rice??

	22-10-2003 19:07									#22
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Soybeans are complete protein...

If you are getting away from meat the best substitute is the soybean.

Just check out any health food section of any supermarket, and you'll see that the number of choices of foods made from soybeans is almost limitless.

	22-10-2003 20:47									#23
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Tuna and salmon are the best protein sources around, and are virtually fat-free.

You really don't need that much protein unless you are a serious weightlifter or athlete. In fact, in the absence or lack of protein, the body will produce the essential amino acids that are lacking.

But, almost nobody suffers from lack of protein in a western diet as it's in just about everything- most vegetables included.

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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay You really don't need that much protein unless you are a serious weightlifter or athlete. In fact, in the absence or lack of protein, the body will produce the essential amino acids that are lacking. But, almost nobody suffers from lack of protein in a western diet as it's in just about everything- most vegetables included.

Wow all those years I have studied nutrition and physiology and I have never heard that big of a load of crap. Your body can't produce anything without the building blocks, thats like saying if your car runs out of gas it will just use the oil in the engine to make more There are NO proteins in most veggies and the western diet is HIGHLY lacking in proper protein because it's so over saturated with carbs and improper man-made fats. This is why we have a fat, heart attack ridden society. The more you overeat carbs the fatter you get simple as that, the more bad fats you ingest the worse the arteries will be clogged, and add on top of that all the preservatives and extra chemical agents in store bought food and you are just asking for a stroke, low sperm count and 50 other bad diseases that will make you suffer. Study after study has shown lower carbs, higher protein and in general less calories keeps you living longer and healthier.
Ok enough of a lecture for today, carry on students

	22-10-2003 21:34									#25
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quote: There are NO proteins in most veggies

http://www.annecollins.com/protein_...-vegetables.htm

http://www.annecollins.com/protein_...-vegetables.htm

http://www.annecollins.com/protein_...-vegetables.htm

quote: Your body can't produce anything without the building blocks, thats like saying if ut of gas it will just use the oil in the engine to make more

http://www.immunesupport.com/glossary/a.htm


"Amino Acids
Chemical molecules which combine to form the various proteins. There are 22 common amino acids. The human body can synthesize (manufacture) 14 of them. The other 8 must come from the diet and are therefore called essential amino acids. See: Amino Acid Complex "


The body does NOT produce amino acids from protein alone, nor is protein necessarily a requirement for the ones it produces.

quote: and the western diet is HIGHLY lacking in proper protein because it's so over saturated with carbs and improper man-made fats.

That is just abject nonsense. If anything, we consume way too much protein on a daily basis, and most of it is excreted through the kidneys. The western diet is NOT lacking in protein because various meats and dairy play such a prevalent role. Cite a few legitimate studies, and I might buy into this crap.

quote: Study after study has shown lower carbs, higher protein and in general less calories keeps you living longer and healthier.

Studies have also that simply eating a balanced diet, regardless of protein, has the same effect. What does one's daily protein content have to do with anything? If anything, consuming more meat and dairy based proteins is worse because of the very thing you mentioned- the presence of hormones, steroids, preservatives..etc.

	22-10-2003 21:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by vlad Wow all those years I have studied nutrition and physiology and I have never heard that big of a load of crap.

I'm sorry, but my PHD in internet surfing trumps your grade 8 biology class.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_...ts/protein.html

quote: The Building Blocks of Life Protein is an important nutrient required for the building, maintenance, and repair of tissues in the body. Amino acids, the building blocks of protein, can be synthesized by the body or ingested from food. There are 20 different amino acids in the food we eat, but our body can only make 11 of them. The 9 essential amino acids which cannot be produced by the body must be obtained from the diet. A variety of grains, legumes, and vegetables can also provide all of the essential amino acids our bodies require. It was once thought that various plant foods had to be eaten together to get their full protein value, otherwise known as protein combining or protein complementing. Intentional combining is not necessary to obtain all of the essential amino acids.1 As long as the diet contains a variety of grains, legumes, and vegetables, protein needs are easily met. Protein Requirements With the traditional Western diet, the average American consumes about double the protein her or his body needs. Additionally, the main sources of protein consumed tend to be animal products which are also high in fat and saturated fat. Most individuals are surprised to learn that protein needs are actually much less than what they have been consuming.

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quote: Originally posted by centrifuge Soybeans are complete protein... If you are getting away from meat the best substitute is the soybean. Just check out any health food section of any supermarket, and you'll see that the number of choices of foods made from soybeans is almost limitless.

ok

	22-10-2003 22:01									#28
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Get some miso soup, Mr. Fun. It's made out of soybeans and it's good and good for you.

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bah! nothing beats quinoa:

http://momo.essortment.com/quinoanutrition_rhwz.htm

Nutritionists have discovered that quinoa is low in sugar and starch and high in fiber and unsaturated fats. It contains many essential vitamins and minerals. The thing that has the experts most excited, however, is the amount of protein in quinoa. It does, in fact, contain fifty percent more protein than wheat, rice and barley and that protein is of superior quality. It contains an ideal balance of the amino acids that are needed by the human body. It includes the amino acid lysine which is rarely found in vegetable protein and normally only found in meat, fish and eggs. Quinoa is also a good source of phosphorous, calcium, iron, vitamin E and several of the B vitamins.

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Quinoa has a unique, nutty taste. It is ideal as a breakfast cereal. It can also be used as an addition to a cold salad, served hot with meals or sweet as a dessert. Quinoa can also be ground into flour form. The flour can then be mixed with water to provide a nutritious meal on the run. The flour can also be made into energy rich biscuits and bread. The people of the Andes also boil the quinoa with an egg to provide a healthy meal. Tortillas are even made with quinoa.

	22-10-2003 22:44									#30
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What about the other part of MrFun's diet: cholesterol? I know the kneejerk recommendation in the past has been to simply eat less cholesterol and saturated fat to lower cholesterol levels. Is this still considered correct?

The puzzling thing about cholesterol is that I know it comes soley from animal sources, however clearly the body can manufacture its own. Cows eat nothing but a vegetarian diet and they're loaded with the stuff. So what controls the level of cholesterol?