19-12-2003 02:29									#31
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It's because the AI has grown very fond of the Spy units we have introduced. They are invisible and have hidden nationality, so you can't see them unless you have spies out detecting them yourself, and their actions won't cause wars since you don't know who sent them.

These Spy units are growing to be a royal P.I.T.A. and we're going to apply some fixes to them in a patch very soon. Just as soon as we're sure the problem is fixed anyway. Until then, don't leave your workers unprotected

	19-12-2003 06:08									#32
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i actually figured it out, i aciidently build an emissary and i saw what happened, i also wanted to let u know that i have expericened another problem i like playin with the world map on large and at abou the same time period after i finish the turn nothing hapens it just says please wait and doesnt cycle to the next turn, i think the most recent time was about 330 or so AD.

if i see any thing else ill letu guys know, but i still love the mod, just a few bugs need tweaking

thanks again

	19-12-2003 12:21									#33
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Yeah, we're tweaking away at the moment

Sometimes the AI will take an extreme amount of time to complete it's turn. This can happen when a city is destroyed and the AI wants to recalculate the entire trade route for all Civs. Sometimes you have to wait a bit longer for the turn to complete. As a general rule, as long as it says 'Please Wait', it is still working. One player sent me a savegame a while back (not DYP, just regular Civ3) where the AI took 45 minutes to complete a turn. This has been improved in the expansion packs, but once in a while it still seems to go on a short holiday.

Please keep the feedback coming.

	25-12-2003 05:00									#34
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I hate you people! when i got my paws on dyp.....YOU RUINED EVERYTHING! i cannot play normal civ anymore!
Thank you for the best mod ever!
as for the spies,remove the ability to attack without declaring war for a start

	15-01-2004 02:04									#35
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Great mod. BTW Conquests version of mod should use "generates units" option of inprovement widely...

	15-01-2004 05:13									#36
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@LordViper: Thanks (and, sorry for the late reply). The Spies will be taken care of in the next patch.

@muxec: Don't worry, we will

	15-01-2004 08:33									#37
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Is there an XL spreadsheet available for units, terrain, gov't, imporovements... (etc)

Thanks

	18-01-2004 23:01									#38
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Is there an XL spreadsheet available for units, terrain, gov't, imporovements... (etc)

Thanks

	19-01-2004 05:22									#39
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quote: Originally posted by HomersHeineken Is there an XL spreadsheet available for units, terrain, gov't, imporovements... (etc) Thanks

Yes there is.

When you download the mod and run the exe. It will install it it the correct folders and also give you a XL spreadsheat. - enjoy.

	19-01-2004 23:23									#40
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Harrier UK---

Thank You!!!!

	21-01-2004 22:03									#41
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any idea where it is i cant find it in my files

	27-01-2004 15:07									#42
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The spreadsheet has unfortunately been absent from the latest versions of the mod - i'll re-add it when 2.02x is released this week. (we just need to be completely sure the Spies won't bother us again )

	28-01-2004 08:01									#43
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what other additions or changes will be in the new version, i have some suggestions for your guys to think about how can i get them to u ?

cant wait for the new one and the elimination of the spys!

	28-01-2004 21:22									#44
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I didn't play the previous version...what's wrong w/ spies? I thought they would be interesting.

	04-02-2004 06:17									#45
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How can a bandwidth-challenged person get DyP 2.01? I played DyP 1.04 and enjoyed it, and I'd love to see what it's like now. My hat's off to the folks who made it, I've gotten at least as much enjoyment out of it as I did out of the original game.

I didn't know about the Best of the Web CD that came with Conquest preorders, and at my connect speed, an 80+ meg download is out of the question.

Anyone know where I can get a Best of the Web CD, or software to break that download into chunks that I can manage?

	04-02-2004 07:11									#46
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quote: Originally posted by HomersHeineken I didn't play the previous version...what's wrong w/ spies? I thought they would be interesting.

Unfotunately the AI liked them to much. So they tended to build nothing but spy type units. So you could invade any civ and not meet much resistance except of course for spy type units.

Also the AI spent a lot of time using spys to capture then recapture etc. workers. The human player soon realised all workers had to be guarded, the AI did not.

It just unbalanced the whole game.

	04-02-2004 07:50									#47
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How many kinds of spy type units?

Just wondering, I like the idea, however with using only one type.

Thanks

	05-02-2004 07:40									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Antrine How many kinds of spy type units? Just wondering, I like the idea, however with using only one type. Thanks

In the test versions they upgraded with each era. But if we can not get the AI to use them properly.

	13-03-2004 04:56									#49
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how about in the next version add another era, into the future and extend the game until 23 to 2500, i loved the idea in call to power but the game wasnt too good

	13-03-2004 06:14									#50
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quote: Originally posted by jmbbright how about in the next version add another era, into the future and extend the game until 23 to 2500, i loved the idea in call to power but the game wasnt too good

Unfortunately as it is right now civ3 - does not allow extra era's even for mods.

That is one thing the DyP (R&R) team would really want to happen.

	12-05-2004 05:09									#51
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Is there a C3C version of the DyP mod yet?

	12-05-2004 06:18									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Is there a C3C version of the DyP mod yet?

The C3C version is called R&R (Rise and Rule). It is in beta testing at the moment. There are a few unit balance issues to iron out and then it will be released on the forums.

The release has been delayed because some of the new features in C3C (used in the scenarios) do not work properly in mods. We were hoping for a patch to fix some of them but that sems less likely at the present time, as the scenarios seem to work.

So barring an unexpected new major patch to the main game you should not have to wait to long.

Before anyone starts complaining - we are still expecting a final patch from Firaxis/Atari but that will probably be just for known bug fixes. No game enhancements etc. to improve mods. This will possiblly be in the next few weeks or so. (It was scheduled for end Q2)

	12-05-2004 06:55									#53
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Hi Harrier UK, have you generally found the AI building units flagged thus; 'hidden nationality, invisible, blitz'? Many thanks! I'll better know the answer soon as I am testing it, however I was wondering if you guys were utilizing just such a combination.

	12-05-2004 18:44									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Harrier UK The C3C version is called R&R (Rise and Rule). It is in beta testing at the moment. There are a few unit balance issues to iron out and then it will be released on the forums.

Awesome, thanks!

	12-05-2004 22:22									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Antrine Hi Harrier UK, have you generally found the AI building units flagged thus; 'hidden nationality, invisible, blitz'? Many thanks! I'll better know the answer soon as I am testing it, however I was wondering if you guys were utilizing just such a combination.

If you are modding, Hidden Nationality units are pain. If you are not carefull you will the AI builds them in preference to other units. Then spends the entire game capturing and recapturing each others workers.

You will soon race ahead of the AI civs as you have no competition. Avoid using them if you can.

	29-05-2004 20:53									#56
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This is an excellent mod

Hope work on it continues.

	09-09-2004 00:30									#57
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Hmmm... No new news on R&R in four months. I was looking forward to this one as I loved the previous versions of DYP. Any idea when it will be ready? Harrier?

	09-09-2004 05:03									#58
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I have run into a problem with DYP 1.10 and Grampho's SGE.

If I modify a game it errors out.

Gramphos, where do I post the log???

	09-09-2004 05:18									#59
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Yes, how is 'Rise and Rule' doing? Harrier UK, are you out there? I have been testing for four months on the AI use of 'hidden nationality', 'invisible' units in conjunctions with armies, start units and settler control under Conquest modded conditions. Did you, in Rise and Rule outright abandon the modded use of such units? Or just curtail them? Are you breathing air? Slide over to 'dark side'? etc, etc....

	02-10-2004 16:48									#60
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Rise and Rule is out for some time now.
Yes, we got rid of all Spy-type units.
Harrier is still alive and kicking, but since we - for any reasons - get surprisingly little -if any- feedback on this site, we hardly check here anymore (heck, someone in the general forum asks: "Have you ever heard about a mod called DyP/RaR?"). Compare that with 100+ pages for the DyP threat at cfc...

Thanks for the testing, and to which result did it lead you?