25-10-2003 04:06									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Padma As one of the mods of the CFC Civ3-Mac forum, Let me just reiterate what Lefty said. The behavior seen in this thread would have resulted in restrictions, and even a perma-ban. And know that I will be paying *special* attention to the Mac forums, now.

Hey Padma, fancy meeting you here. First post?

	25-10-2003 06:45									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Padma And know that I will be paying *special* attention to the Mac forums, now.

What do you mean by now, you always pay us *special* attention. That's why we're so fond of you!

	25-10-2003 06:50									#93
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius I'm sorry if my postings have contributed as spam. All I have to say is I dont object if someone feels the need to reduce my PC and I didnt think it was spam. Generally I'm with the mac guys in this. The OT mac threads were mainly crippled by Ashers comments and all the flaming that it created. At the same time I understand that Ming had to do what Ming has to i.e. Ashers publicity stunt left him with no option but to take action.

No one thought to report Asher in these threads as he has done to you?

Who's fault is that?

If he's spamming your MAC threads, report him.

You were breaking the rules here, technically, whether or not Asher should have done it is another story.

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	25-10-2003 10:37									#94
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Agathon, your screaming and crying like a two year old who's throwing a temper tantrum. Just understand the rules and follow them.

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	25-10-2003 10:43									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I've ranted off to Ming about many things but this is pretty vicious The worst I've gotten is, what, "your biased against me because of my political beliefs" with a dash of and a touch of ? While I don't think Ashers heart was quite in the right place and it's completly apparent he did this simply to spite the Mac people here, the reaction (especially from Agathon) seems to be quite violent. Disturbingly violent. I mean, comments like

Him and Drake have constantly thrown barbs like that in my direction for months unpunished, so I figure it's about time somebody hit them where it hurts.

Funny how they take to insulting my SO, and all I have to do is rat them out on their spam forum. It's interesting that Agathon behaved more rabidly to that than I did to my SO-bashing -- also shows you where his priorities lie.

	25-10-2003 11:07									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon . I should know, I've taught formal and practical logic

The resulting students should make an interesting case study.

	25-10-2003 11:16									#97
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quote: The OT mac threads were mainly crippled by Ashers comments and all the flaming that it created.

Well... boo hoo. You can't prevent an opposing point of view in off topic discussions unless they go against the rules of the site. Simply because someone posts something in your Mac threads that you don't agree with doesn't give you license to go into on-topic forums and flaunt the rules.

I STILL can't believe how some people on this thread blame Ming on this.

	25-10-2003 11:26									#98
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Well, when you don't have a SO then maybe an internet forum takes on a whole new meaning in life.

	25-10-2003 13:15									#99
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Good grief. In my role as an official representative of my employer, if I had employees acting towards me like they have acted in this thread, they would be without jobs at day's end.

There, how's that for upstaging the "officiousness" factor oozed by our good Lefty and Padma?

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	25-10-2003 13:46									#100
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quote: Him and Drake have constantly thrown barbs like that in my direction for months unpunished, so I figure it's about time somebody hit them where it hurts.

So, what you're basically saying is that you don't have the verbal skills or wit to hit us back in kind, so you had to resort to running to the mods and killing the Mac forum. All clouds have a silver lining, and in this case it is how effectively you demonstrated your completely pathetic nature to the rest of the board. I only lost a place to talk about Mac news; you lost your dignity.

Good show!

	25-10-2003 13:49									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten So, what you're basically saying is that you don't have the verbal skills or wit to hit us back in kind

What I'm saying is I refuse to stoop to your level.

quote: I only lost a place to talk about Mac news; you lost your dignity. Good show!

Reality check, Drake...everyone's getting a good laugh out of this except the whining Mac people.

My dignity remains intact, it is you and Agathon who have repeatedly resorted to making fun of my SO while simultaneously whining about the mods shutting down your abuse of a forum.

You've lost both your dignity and your mind, in addition to your spam forum.

	25-10-2003 13:55									#102
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quote: What I'm saying is I refuse to stoop to your level.

Yeah, what you did was so much more noble. That deserves a Ming-size laugh...

quote: You've lost both your dignity and your mind, in addition to your spam forum.

Good comeback, kid. The old "I know you are but what am I" routine works every time. Now I see why you had to run to Ming instead of fighting your own battles.

	25-10-2003 13:59									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Yeah, what you did was so much more noble. That deserves a Ming-size laugh...

Hmm. Letting the administrators know that people are breaking their rules, in addition to seeing my least favorite posters on Poly throw a united hissy fit full of sig-material and general hilarity...yeah, that's on-par with making fun of people's SO just because you're upset someone raided your illegal party...

quote: Good comeback, kid. The old "I know you are but what am I" routine works every time. Now I see why you had to run to Ming instead of fighting your own battles.

That wasn't a "I know you are but what am I", it's a "you've no clue what you're talking about -- you're the one making an ass out of yourself".

There is a difference.

You broke the rules: You whine, you blame me, you make up **** about me entering that forum to "flame" everyone (which is even funnier because you always claim that I "lie" when you've been caught in so many that I've lost count, like this), then you insult my SO.

Then you claim that I have lost my dignity. I think not.

Your judgement is clouded, grasshoppah.

Agathon's the one that's made a total ass out of himself, with you in close second. Words cannot describe how funny it is when Agathon brings in his credentials as a philosophy instructor about how he knows that this whole thing is illogical when he taught logic(!). Everyone is laughing at him, and even at you.

People find this funny, particularly because you guys are so hapless about it. "Oh, I didn't know that the Civ - Macintosh forum had to do with Civ for Macintosh!!!!"

"This is all an evil ploy by Asher, you are bad moderators, I am leaving and taking my ball with me! "

	25-10-2003 14:07									#104
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quote: yeah, that's on-par with making fun of people's SO just because you're upset someone raided your illegal party...

Since when is speaking the truth a crime? Besides, your actions had actual consequences, unlike mine. Hell, even Ming won't defend your behavior. Tell yourself that people respect you for this all you want, but you're only lying to yourself. Probably appropriate, since you lie to everyone else.

quote: you make up **** about me entering that forum to "flame" everyone

Which is the truth, but no one really cares about what really went down in the Mac Forum, it seems.

	25-10-2003 14:08									#105
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What a sad little world you live in, Drake. No wonder the crashing down of this little forum means so much to you.

Well, bedtime for me. Goodnight.

quote: Besides, your actions had actual consequences, unlike mine.

Hey, imagine that -- another thing I'm clearly better at than you.

	25-10-2003 14:20									#106
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Speaking as an impartial observer here, I can't help pointing out that it is a well understood rule that you don't attack the friends or familiy of other posters to score points. Especially given that they are unable to defend themselves. It seems common ground that Drake and Agathon have been indulging their vendetta with Asher/Glonk by attacking his SO. I'm surprised the mods havn't taken a more direct line on this - especially given the hissy fit that Ming [quite rightly] engaged in when someone was abusive about his family. Perhaps the fact that Asher has shown no real evidence of being really hurt by the behaviour explains this but, If I were responsible, both Drake and Agathon would be serving an exceedingly long restriction for this behaviour.

Perhaps, if nothing else given that Asher has clearly had his revenge, Ming or another mod could, for clarity, confirm that the rules on attacking friend/family/SO stand and that any future occurrance will be punished.

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	25-10-2003 14:23									#107
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The only reason they keep doing it is because the first time they did it I got pretty pissed off. Since nothing was done about it by the mods aside from a warning (what good that has done), I've simply tried to make light of it so as to not give them satisfaction and hopefully discourage them from constantly using it every time they get their ass kicked in a debate or, in this case, when I get to be a scapegoat for their bad behavior.

	25-10-2003 15:53									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The OT mac threads were mainly crippled by Ashers comments and all the flaming that it created. Well... boo hoo. You can't prevent an opposing point of view in off topic discussions unless they go against the rules of the site. Simply because someone posts something in your Mac threads that you don't agree with doesn't give you license to go into on-topic forums and flaunt the rules.

Look, I'm no Mac person, I almost never use Mac, I dont sympathise them, I wouldnt even buy Mac, that was just my observation. When I hear something about Macs, I always think "hey lets give thise guys a chance, afterall many nice innovations were first introduced by Apple"

It's just not very constructive if someone pops in and immediately starts to beat Macs to the ground - always. Good Lord always, I have never seen Asher say anything positive or even friendly about Apple. its like Steve Jobs would have raped him when hi was a kid or something. Very disturbing. Thats all.

PS. Could somebody tell this non anglo-americain what the h3ll is an SO?
Satanic Order? Serious Offtopickers? Socialist Operators?

	25-10-2003 16:34									#109
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SO=Gay Lover

	25-10-2003 17:31									#110
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi SO=Gay Lover

Well, I believe its Significant Other.

Concerning what took place here in the mac forum, I'm disappointed. Several of the mac guys have been posting here (Apolyton) for a while, and its unfortunate that they may be going elsewhere. It may just be a website, but its still a community.

Since threads were considered to be off-topic by Ming, then so be it. But what occurred here days ago, is beginning again. As I posted in one of those heated threads, "Take it outside." Its apparent that members are showing up here now for partisan reasons. Let it go and move on.

As an Apolyton member who would like for some sense of normality to return to the mac forum, I ask that this thread be locked. Ming, would you lock this thread? Please? In fact, deleting all the posts but your warning (for a few days at least) would be a positive move.

	25-10-2003 18:29									#111
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Drake Tungsten has been restricted... and Asher, you will stop trolling and baiting people, or you will be restricted without warning.

And I agree that this thread should be closed. It was open to let people blow off a little steam and to make sure that people understood exactly why, since most people seem to think that they have a right to abuse a forum... but some people have gone way over the line.

If I see any more personal attacks in ANY THREAD because of this... I'm just going to restrict people without any warning...

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