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SlowwHand
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of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:31
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We can agree to disagree on many things, and Iraq is one of them.
"Terrorism, wherever it's found."
This is terrorism, and Hussein-backers need to be exterminated.
34 Dead as Baghdad Bombers Hit Red Cross, Police
29 minutes ago
By Rosalind Russell and Michael Georgy
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Suicide bombers struck four times in Baghdad's Monday morning rush hour, killing 34 people and wounding 224 near the Red Cross offices and police stations, in the city's bloodiest day since Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s overthrow.
Apparently coordinated blasts shook the city after three U.S. soldiers were killed in separate attacks overnight. An ambulance bomb was used in the Red Cross attack.
Iraq (news - web sites)'s police chief Ahmad Ibrahim, who is also deputy interior minister, told a news conference 26 of the 34 dead were civilians and eight police. Sixty-five police and 159 civilians were wounded. He did not say if foreigners were killed.
The explosions, sirens and smoke plunged Baghdad into fear and chaos at the outset of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan. The onslaught "is not only criminal, it's sacrilegious," U.S. Brigadier General Mark Hertling told reporters.
Speaking later at the news conference, Hertling said all the Monday morning attacks were suicide bombings, while a fifth had been foiled by Iraqi police. A suspect was seized alive in that attack and was believed to be a Syrian national, he said.
The bombings bring a new urgency to the struggle by embattled U.S.-led forces to control Iraq. Sunday, rockets hit a fortified Baghdad hotel where U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Paul Wolfowitz was staying, killing a U.S. soldier and wounding 17 people. Wolfowitz was unhurt.
After the Monday bombings, President Bush (news - web sites) insisted the United States had no intention of quitting Iraq.
"It's in the national interest of the United States that a peaceful Iraq emerge and we will stay the course in order to achieve this objective," he said after a meeting at the White House with the U.S. administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer.
He added that U.S. aid to Iraq should be grants, not loans.
The suicide attack at about 8:30 a.m. on the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) headquarters in central Baghdad killed 10 to 12 people, including two Iraqi ICRC guards and eight laborers passing in a lorry, the ICRC said. Fifteen Iraqi ICRC staff were wounded.
AMBULANCE BOMB
"I saw an ambulance car coming very fast toward the barrier and it exploded," an ICRC guard said. Hertling said initial indications showed it had Red Cross or Red Crescent markings.
The blast blew down an outer wall and shattered windows in the ICRC building. Staff arriving for work wept at the scene.
"We always believed we were protected by the humanitarian work we do," ICRC spokeswoman Nada Doumani told Reuters.
In northeast Baghdad, at least eight people died in a blast near a police station, a U.S. military policeman said. "There are eight dead, several walking wounded," Sergeant Mike Toole told Reuters at the scene in the Shaab district.
"It was a Landcruiser car that was speeding toward the police station. The (guards) fired on it four times. It turned right and blew up," said local resident Mohammed Ali.
Officials at one hospital said at least 15 people had been killed in attacks on police stations in the southwestern Baya and western Khadra districts. Pools of blood stained the hospital floor.
"I was sitting in my office and suddenly there was a loud explosion and glass flew across the room at me," said wounded police investigator Ali Tahseen of the Baya blast.
"I was taken outside behind the building and I saw a group of policemen lying wounded."
A police official said bombs had gone off near three police stations. Police foiled another attack by killing a suspected bomber and wounding one. The official said unexploded ordnance had also been found at a fire station and a market area.
RUSH HOUR EXPLOSIONS
Hertling said ICRC guards had stopped the ambulance bomb from entering the ICRC compound, so the bomber had detonated it about 20 yards from the sandbagged entrance.
The blast dug a crater 3 feet deep and 9 to 12 feet across. An Iraqi woman living nearby said two of her children had been hurt. "We were sleeping and the house came down on our heads," Muntaha Khalil told Reuters.
The ICRC cut its foreign staff from more than 100 to about 30 after a Sri Lankan technician was shot dead in July and after a suicide bomber devastated the U.N. headquarters in August, killing 22 people including U.N. envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello.
Reuters television footage showed smoke billowing from inside the blue and white walls of the Baya police compound, and burned out vehicles in its car park. The crumpled wreckage of a car lay on a road near the Khadra police station.
Overnight, three U.S. soldiers were killed, one in a mortar attack in Abu Ghraib, in Baghdad's western outskirts, and two in a roadside bomb blast in the city, the U.S. military said.
The deaths brought to 112 the number of U.S. soldiers killed in hostilities in Iraq since Bush declared major combat over on May 1, three weeks after U.S.-led troops captured Baghdad and ousted Saddam.
The bombings brought swift condemnation from European Union (news - web sites) foreign policy chief Javier Solana and Nordic prime ministers meeting in Oslo.
Results of a poll taken for the European Commission (news - web sites) showed two-thirds of European Union citizens think the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was unjustified and the United States should pay to rebuild the country.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:31
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Spiffor, exactly. And how do guerillas work, if they don't have certain regions minds of the locals and their support, but they need it? By fear. Two ways.. love or fear. Their only goal is to set the minds of the locals for them to want the Americans to leave. When they have overwhelming support, let's say 95% wants them to leave, believe me they will leave. So, they need to get that support and when they don't get it with natural support, that's what you do. I'm NOT saying this strike was legit strike, or that I think it was ok strike. I'm just saying I think, that killing innocent civies doesn't make you a terrorist automatically. It makes you a killer and a SOB and a massmurdered. But it's very close to being terrorism I think.. Well let's say, the strike on police definitely no terrorism, strike on red cross.. very close. Maybe I'm willing to go as far as say that is terrorism.
Actually I changed my mind. Since if they DON'T have the support needed meaning the whole country, not just that region, then installing fear by methods like that.. that could be terrorism for sure.. but if they had support and that region was just against the bigger majority, I don't think it would be terrorism, it would be a war crime.
Sorry for making confusing posts, I just didn't think this through first.. about the support thing.. since guerillas are supposed to work for the people, not against the people, and because I believe the support is not big enough for guerillas, this can't be categorized as normal guerilla strike, but terrorism.
Yep.
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SlowwHand
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of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
Sloww, was that to me, or MrFun? |
Well, it wasn't to you.
As far as my being conservative or liberal, I say it at least once a week.
I'm a damned moderate; the only thing that makes sense.
I really don't mind if some can't see Iraq as necessary.
Hey, you have a right.
I have a tremendous problem with someone, conservative OR liberal, not seeing that acts like this are disgusting.
I will say, it makes it harder for me to understand how anyone can have knowledge of acts like this, and still call our military actions erroneous.
And excellent point, Dan.
I remember when the USA and coalition troops told the Mideast that nothing would come from our side on their religious holiday.
Well, **** that now.
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Jack_www
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I consider this a terrorist attack because it is aimed at spreading fear amoung the population. This time they were not attack the US millitary, this time they attacked the Red Cross and Baghdad police.
Even if you think this is not terrorist attack, this is sick. They are now attacking internation aid workers, people who are just there to help the people of Iraq and were not apart of the war effort. I think such attacks will anger most Iraqies.
Last edited by Jack_www on 27-10-2003 at 22:16
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