15-12-2003 04:16									#421
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Seattle beat Arizona 38-0 in Tempe. The teams that have not (yet?) won on the road this season, apart from the already mentioned 49'ers, are Jacksonville, Oakland, and (of course) Detroit.

	15-12-2003 04:18									#422
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then why do they keep saying the Seahawks cannot win a road game?

Oakland and Detroit are pathetic. No surprise there. Jacksonvill was pathetic- well they still are, but they are playing better.

	15-12-2003 04:26									#423
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident then why do they keep saying the Seahawks cannot win a road game?

It is a very sharp contrast to their home record (7-0).

They were in good position in Baltimore, but farked up in the end.

	15-12-2003 04:36									#424
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finally the Panthers move ahead of the Cards.

	15-12-2003 04:56									#425
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go Chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah the Packers suck. It's about time people realize this. I predicted this loss. Hey- remember these guys lost to the Cardinals. It must be something about the southwest.

	15-12-2003 04:56									#426
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I just love it when the Vikings lose... and to lose to the Bears makes it even better

Grossman looked average, which isn't all that bad for his first start. He now has the best record of any Bears QB this year

	15-12-2003 05:00									#427
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oooh, and the pack come right back with a score . They still aren't covering the spread though

	15-12-2003 05:09									#428
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grrrr, worthless Chargers.

	15-12-2003 05:11									#429
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lol

	15-12-2003 05:11									#430
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Arizona is making it tough on Carolina... tied with one minute to go.

	15-12-2003 05:22									#431
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bah! the Packers still suck. So they can beat a crappy Chargers team. So what.

	15-12-2003 10:09									#432
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Say hello to the NFC NORTH LEADING GREEN BAY PACKERS!

	15-12-2003 12:04									#433
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quote: HAHAHAH Michael Vick SUCKS!

Let's see, he was sacked 4 times, hurried 9 times, and was hit ALL DAMNED DAY. When you have absolutely NO protection you aren't going to play well. You could put the second coming of Joe Montana behind that shitty line and the Falcons would have gotten crushed.

I mean did you actually see the game? How many times did Vick get even 2 seconds before a guy was in his face?

quote: Vick should be a running back. He may not be good enough to be a QB. But most likely he is still in pain. He may still improve.

You weren't watching him play last year then . He has a rocket for an arm. He's got average accuracy, but that'll only improve with time. Remember last year he almost threw for 3,000 yards and had a QB rating of around 80. And that was in his first full year.

quote: Need: Cowboys loss Saints loss Packers loss

Hehe... and they all won (Boys and Saints BIG time).

	15-12-2003 12:14									#434
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It's sad when your football dreams of being in the playoffs have to rest on the shoulders of sooooo many other teams. At that point, if my team has so many cards to fall correctly, I know they won't be going very far in the playoffs and having them make it to just lose before the Super Bowl doesn't make me feel any better.

	15-12-2003 15:30									#435
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Hm, earlier I forgot to mention that Arizona also has not won on the road.

This paints an interesting NFC West picture:

The combined home record of the NFC West teams is 23-5, while the combined road record is the exact reverse: 5-23.

	15-12-2003 16:17									#436
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What did you guys think about Horn and the cell phone? I thought it was great. It wasn't disrespectful to anyone else, and it was taunting, so i don't understand why people are upset. Let em have some fun damnit

	15-12-2003 17:02									#437
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak What did you guys think about Horn and the cell phone? I thought it was great. It wasn't disrespectful to anyone else, and it was taunting, so i don't understand why people are upset. Let em have some fun damnit

Joe Horn: "Can you hear me now?"
Other end of the line: "Yes, I can hear you now. This is Paul Taglibue. Just to let you know, why your paycheck will be $10,000 less next week. Have a nice day". Click.

The NFL has been called the No Fun League under Taglibue for his no-nonsense approach to showboating/ extavagant behavior by players. Hmmm, sort of reminds of another moderator I know, although I can't quite remember his name off the top of my head....


D

	15-12-2003 18:26									#438
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay Say hello to the NFC NORTH LEADING GREEN BAY PACKERS!

Don't the Vikings hold the tie breaker in case of a tie

	15-12-2003 21:22									#439
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Confirmed. Vikes do hold the tie-breaker vs. GB.
But if they stumble again, they're probably toast.

That interception Tillman stole from Randy Moss was a career-defining play. That kid has stones!
HTF did the Bears end up with him????

	15-12-2003 21:24									#440
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit That interception Tillman stole from Randy Moss was a career-defining play. That kid has stones! HTF did the Bears end up with him????

YES BECAUSE RANDY MOSS IS A GOD DAMNED *****! go P/NUT!

	15-12-2003 23:52									#441
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It actually appears that the Bears are an above-average team with all the rookies playing. Next year looks to be a break-out year. The only thing that can make or break next year is a mistake in retaining or choosing a new coach.

	16-12-2003 00:45									#442
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Actually, the Vikes' GB Tie breaker is a little messy at this point. According to ESPN:

quote: Packers (6-2) would win NFC North based on better record in common games (vs. Lions, Bears, Seahawks, Rams, 49ers, Chargers) than the Vikings (5-3). However, if the Packers and Vikings both win out, their record in common games will be tied (They'd both be 8-4. The Vikings still play Kansas City and Arizona, both of which the Packers lost to, while the Packers still play the Raiders and Broncos, who the Vikings split with. That would add one loss and one win to the Vikings common games and two to the Packers, leaving them both at 8-4). The next tie-breaker would be conference record and the Vikings would be better.

If both end up going 1-1, then it will matter which teams they beat and which teams they lose to. But at this point, thought the Packers might technically have a "lead" in a sense, the Vikes control their own destiny.

	16-12-2003 01:29									#443
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Good point... my comment was based on them both winning out... which isn't going to be easy for either team

	16-12-2003 12:19									#444
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Miami again proves December is not their month.

	16-12-2003 12:22									#445
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It ain't like they played bad though. Philly is a damned good team and probably would have won in November as well .

	16-12-2003 12:38									#446
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the defense was playing bad- at least by Miami defense standards. So many missed tackles.

	16-12-2003 12:44									#447
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Hey Diss...................................................................
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............................................................................iffy

	16-12-2003 13:09									#448
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I would have to say that Philadelphia, Indianapolis, and New England are three best teams in football right now, with the Rams and Kansas City just a step behind.

	16-12-2003 13:11									#449
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Hey Diss................................................................... ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ............................................................................iffy

they wouldn't be iffy if it wasn't december. If it was a November game they would have won.

	16-12-2003 13:15									#450
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quote: If it was a November game they would have won.

Bull... Philly would have won then as well.