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Kloreep is offline Kloreep

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I would change it from "We and you will stay 1 tile away from our borders from now on" to "We and you will stay 1 tile away from our borders from now on, UNLESS our borders are touching at that point." If we found NE of Soux Chef as planned, it would be insane for neither of us to be able to move in any part of the two-tile gap between our cities.

I would also be amenable to a settlement agreement a NAP. We aren't going to be attacking right away even if we do eventually.

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I would support a NAP - provided that we can honour our MPPs if we have to (we don't want LL growing at others expense unless we can too )

LL hopefully is thinking - the 2 of us are the strongest powers in the world right now - but Python and CoD are right behind them - and if Python and CoD are allied, that would only make it worse - so working with Tabemono is a good proposition for both of us especially if Tabemono and LL are too strong to take out each other militarily - which is possibly the case (certainly we are or will be too strong for them to conquer).

Though 35 turns is rather peculiar of a time frame isn't it ? Why 35? not 40 - could it be that is when they will complete Leo's and Invention?

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  Old Post 13-03-2004 20:54
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Niessuh,

Sorry for the delay, I had some power trouble at the house last night.

Tabemono agrees to stay at least one tile from your territory provided that border is not touching, but we are most concerned with the growing nature OF that border.

We would like to therefore set up a border arrangement that is tied to the NAP. This will go a long way to easing the anxiety of my own team and will hopefully plant the foundations for a long lasting friendship between our two nations.

However, also of concern with an NAP, we would like a clause that if either team commence hostile operations against another team the NAP would then be voided. One cannot expect the other to sit by and watch in such an event. I am sure MZ will agree this is a lesson learned from the first PTWDG.

Again, right to the point, we would like to know your intentions on borders. We ask for the area N and W of your current borders as these have been planned for some time. It would also seem to make sense for your own team to settle the area more southward and secure what is sure to be a long stretch of road to connect these new settlements.

-UnOrthOdOx
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  Old Post 13-03-2004 22:40
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Looks good. Let's see what they say to that...

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If you haven't already, I'd probably go ahead and send it.

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  Old Post 15-03-2004 21:39
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Hm.

Still no answer...

Methinks they doth protest the border.

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Or they're just deliberating about it. In either case, we definitely shouldn't be lax on our military preparations.

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  Old Post 16-03-2004 21:00
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Alright...

There is a little bit of poor english here, can you guys help me?

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Hello! After some deliberations I send the thoughts of the Latin Lovers about our possible NAP.

On the agreement of borders, we do not have intention to approach more than where we are to the present cities of Tabemono. Since 4 squares are the existing shortest distance between Gisele and Hot & Sour Soup, we can establish an agreement by which we will not approach less of that distance to the current cities. This will cause that the present border will be stable.

On the breakage of a NAP we agree that if a nation commence hostile operations against another team then the NAP would then be voided by the other team, but the agressor continues having the attack to the other part forbidden.

Considering these conditions in addition of staying 1 tile away, do you Accept the NAP? Ending at turn 139, 210AD this last turn included.
As Latin Lovers, we always assure honorable behavior and fair play.

- Niessuh
Huevote de Relaciones Sexteriores, Team Latin Lover

"On the agreement of borders, we do not have intention to approach more than where we are to the present cities of Tabemono. Since 4 squares are the existing shortest distance between Gisele and Hot & Sour Soup, we can establish an agreement by which we will not approach less of that distance to the current cities. This will cause that the present border will be stable."

Does this mean NIETHER team? I thought we had a city planned there?

ALSO, no mention of not going WEST. How long before we can get my city up?

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  Old Post 18-03-2004 19:26
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Anyone?

No one interested?

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We have the "blocker" city going up this upcoming turn. I think that will spell out the border issue for them quite clearly. Other than that, I suppose we should agree not to settle East of a N-S line through Giselle (though, specify that does NOT include our island, which is ours ), and they won't settle W of a N-S line through the new Blocker city.

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I like Zargon's suggestion.

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Dear Neighbour:
We have seen that your shrimp boat remain close to our borders. I thought that we would maintain at least one tile out of the neighbour borders, so I respectfully ask you to move it. I reiterate, we don't want to invade you, a NAP proposal was sent to you with no response, then the foundation of your new city made It obsolete, so we offer now a plain and simple NAP:

Ending at turn 139, 210AD this last turn included. If a nation commence hostile operations against another team then the NAP would be voided by the other team, but the agressor continues having the attack to the other part forbidden.

Considering these conditions in addition of staying 1 tile away, do you accept the NAP?

- Niessuh
Huevote de Relaciones Sexteriores, Team Latin Lover


Are we wanting to start an offensive in 20 turns then or not?

I'm taking the team is leaning more not right now?

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As strange as it seems, I think we might want to try to make a last attempt at forming an alliance with the Latins. A LL-Tabemono alliance would definitely offset the Python-Izzardia alliance both now and even after they have settled most of the remaining parts of their continent.

However, if LL refuses, stalls, or ignores us, then we might want to proceed with an alliance proposal to Sunshine, and prepare for a massive assault against LL - as we wouldn't want them to have time to join the other continent's alliance as that would make it nearly unstoppable

However, from their message and tone, LL sounds a little leary of us , based on our latest city, our "ignoring" of their NAP proposal (really they didn't get back to us with a counterproposal re borders), so they may not be willing to accept an alliance - so we may have to go with the NAP.

Their current proposal needs a little work though - a NAP until 210 AD - how many turns is that, but in principle may work.

However, the aggressor in another war loses the NAP but is expected to continue it against the other party , but the other party is free to attack the aggressor? That needs some discussion.

And the one turn away from the borders, why are they so insistent on that...

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The invasion plan has always intrigued me, but without infomation on what they have in their core it could be doomed to failure.

On the other hand, the longer we have a chance to build up and build our infrastructure and mobile units, the more chance we'll have to completely destroy them. Consider what would happen if we land a force of 20 riders near their capital sometime down the road. Instead of being within a couple turns with MedInfs, we could take it down the very next turn with a much greater chance of success.

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Well, sh*t

I was sure I had responded to the last NAP.

Totally my fault, not the teams'. I've got allot going on and bought a new game, haven't been paying as much attention as I should. I'm sorry.

Yes we agree to the NAP.

We also agree to staying one tile away from borders provided it's not in that team's culture boundaries, that would be a little silly.

I'm not one to beat around the subject, so:

New news,

We have managed to wrestle a complete map of the other landmass away from them. If you have not been as successfull yet, then we would be happy to send it along to you.

Also, concerning the diplomatic nature of the other island. I don't know how much you guys know yet or not:

Cake or Death and Python teams are allied for the destruction of Team Monkey. It is clear that they are then allied for the rest of the game.

This is something that must be countered, obviously.

Looking at the map, it would stand to reason that the best possible split of our own island would seem to call for a Latin Lover/Tabemono alliance as well, and are hoping that you would also agree here. What say you?

-UnOrthOdOx
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UnOrthOdOx,

Thanks for the inteligence coming from the other continent. We don't know Monkeys yet, the CoD-MP alliance was suspected. As you know we are on anarchy, but our Gran Miembro guessed this revolt and ordered not to begin any investigation and stock gold some years ago. Now we are trying to organize our government at our cities, when this happens I think that we can use our gold to purchase technology and then start an interesting research. Now that NAP has been made we are completely open to a deal with Tabemono. Could you give us prices for the techs you can offer? Have you got any idea about common future research?
Yours
Niessuh, Latin Lovers


Well, techies, how much do we want for Feudalism?

Anything else they lack?

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In chat with WIA now.

Sent to along with the last 2 PM's to catch them up on the last couple of PM's...they've not kept a record.

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I'm still waiting word on the worth of Feudalism. As for future research, I can say that right now, we will be researching Invention, MAST is researching Chivalry, and SS is researching Theology then Education. The other continent is behind us in tech still.

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MrWhereItsAt1: Hey Hey!
SirUlias: Hello.

MrWhereItsAt1: Yay! It works!
SirUlias: Yeah, I had to "accept" you first.
SirUlias: AOL warning me it didn't know where you got AIM from...
MrWhereItsAt1: The reason I was interested in getting this going is that I seem to be getting a little more involved in foreign affairs with the Latin Loves. For at least translating English messages...
MrWhereItsAt1: Heh. Got it from some downloads site
SirUlias: That would be helpful. There have been some minor translation problems I think.
MrWhereItsAt1: Yeah. They were unsure what 'Can I get back to you on that?' meant.
MrWhereItsAt1: I think my Spanish is good enough to clear up little confusions like that.
MrWhereItsAt1: I just need to get up to date on what current deals etc are in place
SirUlias: Well, I've had some rough english in return as well
MrWhereItsAt1: I saw some of it. It was understandable at least. Niessuh's English is quite decent.
SirUlias: But, I worked at a manufacturing plant with 40% philippeno workforce, so speak broken quite well.
SirUlias: Let me open the thread on current deals...
MrWhereItsAt1: Cool!
MrWhereItsAt1: Although I can understand most of what goes on in my team forum, sometimes it;s a bit of a drain trying to read a zillion new posts.
SirUlias: First of all, I asked if you guys were interested in an alliance, and your team has of yet ignored it. My reasoning being that Sunshine and MAST seem allied and we KNOW that Python and CoD are allied. Plus the map would seem to make ours a natural alliance in terms of future borders.
MrWhereItsAt1: I may have to dash off every now and again at a moment's notice, but I will read all of this when I can and let them all know about it.
SirUlias: There is still some confusion on the border deal it seems. I never liked how it was worded...
MrWhereItsAt1: I read some of that. Seemed OK from the Spaniards' POV
SirUlias: Well, it was just something in chat the other night that some thought you may have been breaking it. I can't comment as I didn't get the last save. There was some discussion about it.
MrWhereItsAt1: I see... I will try to look myself later tonight. I think the saves are posted
SirUlias: Feudalism is the last deal on the table. (Everything is on the Tabemono Table...) What are you offering to buy it? The tech people haven't answered me on how much we want, and my personal views on tech deals are not welcome in Tabemono. Let me check irc and see who's on...
SirUlias: Nope, no one is on.
MrWhereItsAt1: I will check the forum briefly in a few minutes to see what has been discussed.
SirUlias: So, the two pressing issues before us here is whether you guys want to ally and what Feudalism is worth.
SirUlias: I'm not going to dance any issues with you, I don't have time to do that in diplomacy. We are still expecting an attack from you.
SirUlias: We half expect that the whole continent is against us.
MrWhereItsAt1: OK. I can say that (although I haven't seen everything) there is no build-up for attacking anyone in the near future.
SirUlias: Never the less, land is going to be becomming a premium in the near future. Expansion will be neccessary to combat the other continent that will be minus Monkey.
MrWhereItsAt1: What civ are you guys?
SirUlias: We have no plans as of yet, but we can see the writing on the wall.
SirUlias: We are China
MrWhereItsAt1: There's a lot of OT in the FAM thread...
MrWhereItsAt1: Last message from you asked about prices for techs we can offer
MrWhereItsAt1: Yes... I see no record of a reply!
SirUlias: Here. I'm PMing the last correspondances.
MrWhereItsAt1: My deepest apologies on behalf of my team!
SirUlias: Ok, sent.
MrWhereItsAt1: Thanks. Am telling them all we need to get some communications going with you and on exactly what.
SirUlias: As you will see, you guys ignored the alliance question. That certainly looks worse than just saying no, IMO. Then, I'm a paranoid bastard member of the GoW.
MrWhereItsAt1: Posting my message, then will get to the PMs.
MrWhereItsAt1: YOU're paranoid?! My character has jsut returned to Spain after finally shaking you off his trail and does nothing but look over his shoulder!
MrWhereItsAt1: I think Togas wants me to take over, in some sense
SirUlias: Sorry, doing a major update to my central diplomacy thread.

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Just putting this where it goes...

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Hello,

it's been a while. I am not sure exactly who to send this to right now, so I am sending to those who I think may be active there (and UnO, who I know is to some degree).

Communications have been a little sporadic between our teams recently, in large part due to the lack of many of my fellow Lovers' feeling confident enough in their English to convey and translate messages for the team. The first reason for this PM is to inform you that I am hoping to smooth things over by acting as Ambassador of sorts - my Spanish is usually good enough for this task.

I apologise for any strange signals that may have been received recently, and the second intent of this PM is to clear those up.

The Lovers are keen to maintain our NAP and friendly cooperation. There is no intention to attack our well-eating friends, and we hope we can meet soon for more diplomatic exchanges - you bring the wine, we'll bring the women! If there are any concerns about possible violations of territorial rights please let us know and we will remove our warriors, who admittedly sometimes get so love-crazed they believe they can sense womenfolk from many leagues away. In many cases it may be these hormone-blinded ambassadors for the Latins who are accidentally treading Tabemono vineyards on their Quixote-like missions for non-existent ladies in the night.

I have been informed that you have requested an alliance with us. Although we are certainly not averse to such an arrangement, we are a little curious as to what the Tabemono intends to achieve with this. If you can let us know exactly what sort of cooperation would be involved in this alliance, I am sure I will be able to encourage my lust-driven Government to look upon this favourably. After all it WOULD mean more joint banquets (they quite like those...)!

The last issue you have presented to us before is on buying Feudalism from you. The paperwork for this sadly got caught between the buttocks of the favourite concubine of the Gran Miembro - our leader - and it was only rediscovered recently. Please do not ask me how it got there , but rest assured we are now tabling this motion, and I hope to bring you more information over the next turn or two.

Until we converse again, eat well and be merry!

WIA - Foreign Affairs Consultant/Translator for the Latin Lovers.

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Received today:

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Hail to Tabemono from the fiesty Roman Latino Corazón!

I bring greetings and offerings from the sunny shores of our chiquita-populated lands. I always enjoy my short visits to your realms, for the healthy culinary fortification I always enjoy here aids my stamina greatly when I return home, something for which other Romans are at times deeply envious.

For an hors d'oeuvre I have a proposal to set forth for discussion at your dining tables. Our lands are close, and this allows us to consider setting up a trade route, either via sea or land through a road network. This would enable closer ties between our two peoples, and it may be possible to exchange luxury items, if you have surplus. We have Dyes for possible trade, and we notice you have Incense and Hides, although our accountants are befuddled as to whether you have enough to trade as well as keeping your dining halls smelling so wonderfully, and so well insulated. Secondly, further to the possibility of us buying Feudalism off of you, if you have no luxuries spare we could possibly try to negotiate a trade for Feudalism involving our surplus Dyes. Food for thought.

I have two further items on the menu for today. Some of the more nervous Latin Ministers have noticed with concern that a Tabemono Swordman is near the Latin city of Montserrat. Of course I realise that this is due to just a slight misunderstanding over the NAP, but all the same they have pressured me to officially ask that you please make plans to retire your sturdy troops to their barracks, thus easing the worries of my stressed superiors. I thank you in advance. Also there is a Tabemono Galley stuck on the coast between the spheres of several Latin cities, cut off from the lush shores of home. If it be of interest to you to return these sailors (they seem to be wasting away when viewed from afar!), we are certainly willing to discuss the possibility of them traversing our coast to reach their homelands. We do not want your sailors starving on our beaches!

Thus it is with some regret I must leave you, friends, and return through the jungle to the sun-soaked babelands of my home. I look forward to my return to visit you.

* MrWhereItsAt places hand on chest and bows, then departs.

MrWhereItsAt
Foreign Affairs Consultant/Translator
Latin Lovers Team.


*sputter* *spit* We misunderstood the border agreement!? They settled past the line, and built a city next to our unit, and they have the audacity to say we violated the agreement!!!! *steam* killkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkill....

But, we should try and get our boat back, mostly so we can use it to kill them.

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Yeah we should get our boat back definitely. It's only been idling there because of the no-trespass stuff.

As to the sword still being fortified in "their" land, that's my fault as I missed moving him while playing the turn (though there were no posted military orders Zargon ). Of course they did settle past the boundaries so we'll have to decide on something to do about that.

We will have another fur linked up soon to trade to them for dyes. I prefer not to trade them a tech for a luxury as I'm still leery of their intentions. They could take our tech and then attack us and nullify what they owe us.

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Oops, DP

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So, when do we invade the b@stards?

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We should withdraw the boat admittedly.

As far as the sword goes, yes we should now withdraw from their territory, but only onto neutral territory - to make our point.

As far as I am concerned, I am becoming increasingly concerned that LL is playing us for fools - they are "politely insisting" that we continue to move our forces back and then they push forward and occupy the area vacated.

We need to remind them that THEY were sending units to probe our border and that THEY are the ones continuing to push westward (and leaving large areas to be settled by them for later use) and that THEY are the ones continuing to send units probing well beyond their borders (like the units MAST and Sunshine have seen near Sunshine's borders).

It might be time to be blunt - don't come ANY further west (perhaps even a OR ELSE!) or start actively preparing for war.

One thing is we can't wait for them to finish their FP - once they do that that western area plus their core will vastly outproduce us and leave us in potential trouble.

As far as the trade they propose - I agree with Rhoth - we can't risk trading them a tech for a luxury and then watch them possibly "cut" the luxury off... I would be willing to consider a lux for lux deal, but I am not sure that we necessarily want to help them out that much.

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Private chat with WIA.

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[20:23] [Kloreep] ?
[20:23] [WIA] Can you get someone to respond to the PM I sent to you and others in Tabemono on behalf of the Latins?
[20:24] [Kloreep] k, I'll find the appropriate thread to bump
[20:25] [Kloreep] Things have been a little slow around here, and I'm afraid I haven't done anything to help that
[20:25] [WIA] NP. As long as it was not completely unnoticed.
[20:25] [WIA] It's like that with us at times too, so I understand
[20:25] [WIA] There are a few trade ideas in there, so it would be good to get some feedback within a few turns, and a more urgent request and offer for troop withdrawals
[20:26] [Kloreep] Ah yes, we'll be moving the sword out of your new city's territory
[20:26] [Kloreep] We were surprised to see you founding so far west
[20:28] [WIA] I'm honestly not up to date with all those plans - just the FAM ones
[20:29] [WIA] I can ask if you r team likes.
[20:29] [WIA_shower] Gotta shower - back soon
[20:31] [Kloreep] k

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[20:53] [Kloreep] Let's try tihs
[20:53] [Kloreep] You getting this?
[20:53] [WIA] Yep
[20:54] [WIA] Just wanted to know if there had been any movement in the Tabemono forum on the PM I sent you guys
[20:54] [Kloreep] Let me check
[20:54] [WIA] Thanks


He seems to have forgotten about me for the moment. If he asks again, I'll simply say no movement.

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[22:23] * Now talking in #table
[22:23] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +k blackbull
[22:23] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +ps
[22:24] * ZargonX has joined #table
[22:24] [UnOrthOdOx] Why isn't the op working?
[22:24] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o Kloreep
[22:24] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o WIA
[22:24] [ZargonX] because you are clearly the sole power here
[22:24] * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o ZargonX
[22:24] [ZargonX] oh, never mind
[22:24] [WIA] Wow - three of the 4 who I sent the PMs too! Amazing!
[22:24] [WIA]
[22:24] [UnOrthOdOx] Oh sure MZ wuits.
[22:24] [UnOrthOdOx] quites.
[22:24] [Kloreep] MZ is on
[22:24] [UnOrthOdOx] er something.
[22:24] [Kloreep] MasterZen is not
[22:25] [WIA] He wouldn't know anything recent anyway. He's more inactive than anyone
[22:25] [ZargonX] yeah, in all his PBEMs, too
[22:25] [ZargonX]
[22:25] [UnOrthOdOx] So you want to give me the jist of it or should I read it WIA?
[22:26] [WIA] Well, I waffled for a bit about how great it was to visit your banquets (we bring the women, you
bring the wine...)
[22:26] [WIA] I asked about the Swordsman near one of our cities - but that has been moved.
[22:26] [WIA] I asked if you wanted to negotiate a passage for your ship through our territory if you wanted to
get it home again
[22:26] * Sharpe has joined #table
[22:26] [WIA] Otherwise I asked about tech trades and the possibility of setting up a trade route for swapping
lux, if you have any potential spares.
[22:27] [UnOrthOdOx] negotiate?
[22:27] * UnOrthOdOx cocks a brow...
[22:27] [WIA] Well, not FOR anything, just to talk about whether you anted to move through
[22:28] [WIA] I think that's the whole message
[22:28] [UnOrthOdOx] Yeah, all more flowery stuff.
[22:28] [UnOrthOdOx] Lux, I have the save, let me lookie.
[22:29] [WIA] We aren't quite set up for exchanging lux, but if we can both be sometime then it would be well
worth both of us doing so, i think
[22:29] [UnOrthOdOx] Looks like we have a spare fur ATM, but I don't know our current deals due to my lack of
time recently.
[22:29] [WIA] Of course we need a road first
[22:29] [UnOrthOdOx] It may be spoken for.
[22:29] [WIA] OK sure. But there may be the possibility of you guys buying a spare lux off us, at least.
[22:30] [WIA] Could one of you find out about whether it was promised to someone?
[22:30] [UnOrthOdOx] Re the galley, unless you like it sifting along your coast, it'll be moving through, yes.
[22:31] [WIA] OK, I don;t see a problem with that, but I will let the Gran Miembro know anyway
[22:32] [UnOrthOdOx] I don't believe so on the Fur. I see no negotiations for it.
[22:32] [WIA] Alright, well that sounds worth looking at then. Is it connected ATM?
[22:32] [UnOrthOdOx] Yes.
[22:32] [UnOrthOdOx] It's free and clear awaiting a trade partner.
[22:33] [WIA] Right, well we'd need to get a road connection going. WOuld a straight swap of lux be (subject to
team approval) a good idea?
[22:33] [UnOrthOdOx] As far as I'm concerned, yes.
[22:33] * WIA wonders how easy it will be summarising this chat for the Spaniards....
[22:33] [WIA] Cool.
[22:33] [WIA] All I have left is tech possibilities, which I am looking on the forum for now.
[22:33] [WIA] Anything you guys have in mind at all?
[22:34] [UnOrthOdOx] Well, Let's see.
[22:34] [UnOrthOdOx] SS is researching Theo, or possibly have it.
[22:34] [UnOrthOdOx] AFAIK, MAST is doing CHIV.
[22:34] [UnOrthOdOx] We are going to do Inv
[22:34] [WIA] For certain, then.
[22:35] [WIA] Interesting. I think Sunshine believes you are going for Chiv
[22:35] [WIA] Oops -sorry, that's old information
[22:35] [UnOrthOdOx] I already had this discussion with Togas twice now, if they still think that then...
[22:36] [UnOrthOdOx] Now then.
[22:36] [WIA] That's certainly old info.
[22:36] [WIA] We are not on anything ATM, waiting to see what best to research.
[22:37] [UnOrthOdOx] Yeah, gotta save that cash for the mass upgrades, we know...
[22:37] [WIA]
[22:37] [UnOrthOdOx] So, who's really researching for you then?
[22:37] [WIA] Actually I wouldn;t know about the military side of things. I'm jus a FAM consultant/translator.
[22:37] [WIA] We're avtually trying to see what best to research so we can do a deal sometime.
[22:37] [WIA] I kid you not.
[22:38] [WIA] Unless the Gran Miembro has a scheme he hasn't posted...
[22:38] [UnOrthOdOx] Would that be MZ?
[22:38] [WIA] No, Niessuh, I think
[22:38] [WIA] MZ is really inactive
[22:39] [Sharpe] I think MZ is busy with his studies/thesis
[22:39] [UnOrthOdOx] Let's see, ever get back with me re cooperation possibilities?
[22:39] [WIA] Cooperation on what?
[22:39] [WIA] That's something that doesn;t ring a bell.
[22:40] [UnOrthOdOx] Alliance I believe is the word I used.
[22:41] [WIA] Oh! That IS new to me! Hell, since we're close sounds good.
[22:42] [UnOrthOdOx] That's funny.
[22:42] [WIA] Will just see how quick we can research...
[22:42] [UnOrthOdOx] Looking over PM's you acknowledged it some time back.
[22:43] [UnOrthOdOx] Obviously you must not have been seriously considering it then if you already forgot.
[22:43] [WIA] Shite. Sorry.... that may have been when I was still trying to get up to speed
[22:43] [WIA] I don't actually know if I told the team about that bit (guilty)
[22:43] [WIA] I mentioned the Feud trade and everything else...
[22:44] [UnOrthOdOx] You know, I don't really have the time for being jerked around like this.
[22:44] [UnOrthOdOx] This isn't the first little 'confusion'.
[22:44] [UnOrthOdOx] Team as a whole, not you.
[22:45] [WIA] I am not surprised really. There have been some instances of language confusion I have seen and
tried to help clear u\
[22:45] [WIA] *up
[22:46] [UnOrthOdOx] That might play for a little while, WIA, but this is a constant problem.
[22:46] [WIA] So what are you thinking?
[22:46] [UnOrthOdOx] When an NAP/Border agreement from your side reads "we have no intention of comming closer"
then we see more cities closer a few turns later, that's not a language confusion.
[22:46] [UnOrthOdOx] That's being jerked around.
[22:47] [WIA] Is THAT what the weirdness was about! No-one in Latins seemed to know.
[22:47] [WIA] Or no-one active could tell me
[22:47] [UnOrthOdOx] Not to mention border patrols from your units are deemed ok, but ours are told to leave
immediately.
[22:47] [UnOrthOdOx] No one ACTIVE?
[22:47] [WIA] Crap! Did we have our units in your borders?
[22:47] [UnOrthOdOx] I've got it from Niessuh
[22:48] * WIA has now run out of possible explanations
[22:50] [UnOrthOdOx] I asked that you proceed neither W nor north and he agreed.
[22:50] [UnOrthOdOx] Then we see more W settlement.
[22:51] [WIA] The city of Montserrat, I take it?
[22:52] [UnOrthOdOx] Yes, I don't open for a month, imagin my surprise.
[22:52] [UnOrthOdOx] From Neissuh: "The present border will be stable."
[22:53] [UnOrthOdOx] Guess what I think upon opening for the first time in a month.
[22:53] [UnOrthOdOx] And seeing it NOT be stable.
[22:53] [WIA] Leading towards war, I guess...
[22:55] [UnOrthOdOx] Personally, I'ld rather it not still.
[22:55] [UnOrthOdOx] The map would appear to beg differently, and have us become partners.
[22:56] [UnOrthOdOx] That said, there has been little in the way of a stable relation with your team at the same
time.
[22:56] [UnOrthOdOx] Besides, if I was planning to invade you, you'ld be the last person I would be telling.
[22:56] [UnOrthOdOx] Remember RP?
[22:56] [WIA] Bits of it... Not much from that time
[22:57] [UnOrthOdOx] Besides. I don't think Kloreep would let me.
[22:57] [WIA]
[22:57] [UnOrthOdOx] Stupid buildermongers.
[22:57] [Kloreep]
[22:57] [WIA] He likes our ladies too much, eh?
[22:58] [Kloreep] Of course
[22:58] [Kloreep] And who would trade a library for some silly units?
[22:58] * WIA is using SpanishDict.com a lot here to get this into words they can understand
[22:59] [UnOrthOdOx] So. We want to know, what are your long term plans are?
[22:59] [UnOrthOdOx] Is Tabemono in them, if so, to what extent?
[22:59] [UnOrthOdOx] tech partners? More?
[22:59] [WIA] I can only tell you what I have seen in the forum as of late.
[23:00] [UnOrthOdOx] PM me, WIA.
[23:00] [WIA] Long-term plans are continuing to develop our heartlands, whilst getting tech deals arranged.
[23:00] [UnOrthOdOx] My wife says it's time for bed.
[23:00] [WIA] OK UnO. You;ve given me a lot to yell at them about, I may need to PM or chat with Niessuh
myself instead of just posting this time
[23:01] [UnOrthOdOx] night.
[23:01] [WIA] G'night
[23:01] * UnOrthOdOx has quit IRC (Quit: )
[23:01] [WIA] What about the rest of you watching this? Is UnO taking this too seriously? What do you all think?
[23:02] [ZargonX] The lines of communication have been troubled, at best
[23:02] [WIA] Can it be salvaged, if I can intervene enough?
[23:03] [ZargonX] I'd like to think so
[23:03] [ZargonX] UnO has pointed out the main areas of concern
[23:03] [ZargonX] so if you can discuss them with your "members," perhaps we can move beyond this into more
fruitful cooperation
[23:04] [Sharpe] it feels to me as though the Latins have been deliberately expanding towards us , that being
said there is little land now left between us
[23:06] [Sharpe] Night!
[23:06] [WIA] I see.
[23:06] [WIA] Night SHarpe
[23:06] [WIA] I am really going to town on this thread - my largest Spanish post in AGES
[23:06] * Sharpe has left #table
[23:06] [ZargonX] good luck
[23:07] [ZargonX] But, seriously, please let us know how it goes
[23:08] [ZargonX] UnO is right that we have much more to gain from working together than from being suspicious
of one another
[23:08] [WIA] Żeah, I think so too. It seems to me that no-one in LL is aware of such tensions!
[23:08] [WIA] They think thigns are going fine
[23:08] [ZargonX] well, that may be part of the problem
[23:09] [ZargonX] perhaps we haven't expressed our concerns vocally enough
[23:10] [WIA] Or perhaps they were misinterpreted
[23:11] [WIA] I certainly know since recently, when I sort of took over the FAM reigns a bit, that I have been
almost the only one to post in the forum except for the turnplayer when the turn is played, and few seem to
have commented on FAM stuff. Also I have not got any PMs back from ANY team in the last 2 weeks
[23:11] [ZargonX] could be
[23:11] [ZargonX] sounds like a breakdown in the system
[23:11] [ZargonX] but, you're here now, so let's try and work through them
[23:11] [ZargonX] anyway, I'm off to bed as well
[23:11] [ZargonX] 'night all!
[23:11] [WIA] Night ZX!
[23:12] * ZargonX has left #table (Leaving)
[23:12] * Logging #table to 'C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\#table.GRNet.log'
[23:20] [WIA] Just gotta do some research quickly - back soon, I hope!
[23:20] [Kloreep] k
[23:20] [WIA] Am always open to PM or chat about things, you know that Klo

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MrWhereItsAt1: Niessuh posted a short message where he agreed to not approach any closer to Tabe than where we were at the time:
MrWhereItsAt1: He agreed to not approaching any closer than 4 tiles to the current cities:
MrWhereItsAt1: 4 days later the turn arrived and Tabe had founded General Tso's Kitchen, closer than any other city
MrWhereItsAt1: I'm a little puzzled by this one thing:
MrWhereItsAt1: He says that founding that city goes against his proposal/agreement, but I am unclear on that exactly
MrWhereItsAt1: No, I see it. I do not know if Tabe agreed to the 4 tile distance, but either way the founding of GTK meant we could not comply anymore anyway.
MrWhereItsAt1: It was closer than 4 tiles already.
MrWhereItsAt1: That's about the size of it.
MrWhereItsAt1: Niessuh suggests you may have read his message after the founding of GTK
MrWhereItsAt1: ...which would have led to the whole mess
MrWhereItsAt1: Wow - that was some crazy translating on the fly, there...
SirUlias: Given my relative inactivity, that's likely.
MrWhereItsAt1: So in effect, he's saying that there was no agreement reached!
MrWhereItsAt1: The second part to his comments is on a different matter: the alliance.
MrWhereItsAt1: ALthough we are all keen to cooperate with Tabe as much as possible, we really don;t know what an alliance would do for either of us.
SirUlias: uh huh
MrWhereItsAt1: If there was a specific reason/effect then we could discuss it more easily, but as it is no-one sees any benefit from anything further than trying to cooperate and keeping the NAP going
MrWhereItsAt1: I gotta go shower ready to sleep (almost 3am here). Will be able to continue (if you';re still here) when I get back. Else I'll leave the channel open.
SirUlias: I'll be gone.
SirUlias: Anyway, thanks for the time.

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