06-11-2003 04:46									#1
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LL correspondance goes here.

MZ is currently in the ISDG chatroom; think I should chat with him? I'm not going to for now, I think. ("Hi, we just made contact, but since I don't know how, I can't see what techs we can trade you." )

	06-11-2003 04:49									#2
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Slap Zargon around again until he comes back and gives us the turn report.

Actually though, didn't you receive the save too? Shouldn't you be able to check (I can't right now since I'm not at home).

	06-11-2003 05:09									#3
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I have the save, yes, but I don't know what moves Zargon made. Since Zargon didn't list anything about his moves whatsoever (not even "I followed the plan"), I don't want to just follow the plan myself. If our moves differ, one of us might be sitting out a turn or two depending on what those differing moves find.

	06-11-2003 05:13									#4
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Oh I see. I had thought LL might have found us at the beginning of our turn. Never mind me then.

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We moved Gourmand E, figuring there was no reason Zargon would have gone against the plan. Contact. I'm wondering whether we should have done this now TBH... but Sharpe was willing and would have sat out on Gourmand if necessary.

Anyway, we have contact. They have all the techs we do plus Iron Working and Horseback Riding.

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I think we should try to do a Math for IW trade with LL. (NTA includeded?) Then we can trade Math for Writing with Sunshine. HBR isn't a priority right now, as we don't even have horses yet and may want to build Chariots when we do.

Proposed PM:

quote: Greetings Latin Lovers! Our warrior Gourmand made contact with your warrior The Slayer this turn. We hope that we can work together to the benefit of both our nations. While we do not currently have any technology to trade you, our wise men are on the verge of discovering new ways of counting; they are opening up a whole new field they call "Mathematics". We would like to trade this for Iron Working. There is a small difference in the value of these technologies (2 tech points), but we would be happy to just agree that LL will give us a similiar benefit in a future trade.

	06-11-2003 06:23									#7
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Sounds good to me. I assume nothing has yet been worked out with Sunshine so we can mess around with this then.

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Hehe... sorry. Been a busy day I did follow the plan exactly, so nothing has been violated.

	06-11-2003 09:53									#9
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We chatted with MZ and have signed a deal; they give IW, we give Math, they agree to owe us 2 tech points. 20-turn NTA on both techs; we're the sole supplier of Math for a little while.

They are researching Polytheism, which is currently 20 turns off.

They have contact with everyone else. We've discussed a 4-way chat between this continent's teams to hash out a research strategy.

Log later if I find time to strip the annoying < tags.

	06-11-2003 10:52									#10
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quote: Log later if I find time to strip the annoying < tags.

Do what I do; paste it into notepad, then just replace the "<" with a space.

	06-11-2003 21:56									#11
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What, you mean they're all the same character? :crazy:

Log:

quote: * Now talking in #feast * Kloreep sets mode: +k wine * Kloreep sets mode: +nps * ZargonX has joined #feast * Rhothaerill has joined #feast * Sharpe has joined #feast * Kloreep sets mode: +ooo Rhothaerill Sharpe ZargonX * MasterZen has joined #feast MasterZen> hey Kloreep> Hi Sharpe> Hi! ZargonX> welcome to the table! * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen Rhothaerill> Hi. Rhothaerill> We're ganging up on you. :P MasterZen> and this party is for?... ZargonX> you! * Aggiemowa has joined #feast Sharpe> We're so happy to meet Latin Lover Kloreep> Contact between Tabemono and LL MasterZen> ooooooh * MasterZen sets mode: +o Aggiemowa MasterZen> food and women, what a great combo ZargonX> yeah, if we could just find a music-team, we'd be set Kloreep> Hehe, I was just thinking the same thing Rhothaerill> MasterZen> interesting, where did you find us, one of our wandering warriors? Sharpe> unfortunately the only team that might qualify is Monty Python Kloreep> We made contact with The Slayer ZargonX> We encoutnered The Slayer ZargonX> dp Sharpe> re singing MasterZen> and I have no clue who he is since I haven't opened the save in quite some time... hehe ZargonX> Do you have an official "contact" person? MasterZen> yes. Me ZargonX> excellent Rhothaerill> That makes it easy. MasterZen> I don't do the save but I do the diplomacy MasterZen> (as usual) Kloreep> Reg warrior is all I can tell you. But I'm sure if you described your empire, we could tell you where he is Rhothaerill> Uh oh. MasterZen> :P Rhothaerill> Aggiemowa> hi there mz MasterZen> yo Aggs ZargonX> First off, we will of course respect your borders, just to let you know Sharpe> which we do see ATM Sharpe> or at least a tiny sliver of the border Kloreep> Yes, Slayer is E of our unit, and we can see your border E-E of our unit MasterZen> ok MasterZen> so, wanna tech deal? Kloreep> Sure ZargonX> does anyone ever NOT want to MasterZen> I wish I knew if there's any tech we have that you didn't Rhothaerill> I don't...oh wait. Sharpe> hmm, I do frequently in SP... MasterZen> do you have HBR? Kloreep> We don't have anything you don't Kloreep> We'll have Math next turn, though MasterZen> ah we don't have math ZargonX> Yes, soon we will be able to actually count calories Kloreep> Do you guys have IW? MasterZen> yes MasterZen> we are currently doing Poly, we can trade that for some stuff, do you guys have HBR? Kloreep> Nope MasterZen> Poly + HBR for future deals? sounds good? Kloreep> How about Math for IW now? Kloreep> We don't have IW yet MasterZen> sure sounds good Kloreep> There's a 2 tech point difference there, but I'm sure we can agree you'll simply make up the difference in later trades MasterZen> how much is Math and IW? I forget... Rhothaerill> 8 and 6 respectively MasterZen> ok, Poly is 12 and HBR is 5 Sharpe> we haven't decided what we are doing next to be honest Kloreep> So we need 15 more tech points after writing MasterZen> I assume you have contact with the other 2 civs on the con tinent Kloreep> *after math Kloreep> Yep, we do Kloreep> So you've contacted MAST at last then? MasterZen> have you tried coordinating techs with the others? we've more or less tried so no-one repeats techs MasterZen> yes, we got them about 3 turns ago Kloreep> Cool, we could try 4-way tech coordination Kloreep> Yep, we've tried to research different paths Rhothaerill> Blow the other continent out of the water ZargonX> Rhothaerill> Tech wise Sharpe> good idea especially as the scores for the other continent are ahead of nearly all of us MasterZen> we're trying to forge a deal with MAST, trying to get them to do CoL and Philo and we do Republic. Perhaps you guys can do the top path of techs (Currency, Construction) MasterZen> then everybody trades everything to everybody else :P Kloreep> We're considering the Rep path too Kloreep> Where are you getting Writing from? MasterZen> sunshine * Nimitz|Voteforme has joined #feast * MasterZen sets mode: +o Nimitz|Voteforme MasterZen> hello Nimitz|Voteforme> there Kloreep> Hi Nimitz Nimitz|Voteforme> hey Kloreep> Also, re: the Math for IW deal, we'd like a No-Trade Agreement MasterZen> sure t hing Kloreep> Kloreep> We're trying to work out a deal with Sunshine for Writing MasterZen> ok, off the bat then we agree to IW for Math MasterZen> we owe you 2 tech points Kloreep> NTA of, say, 20 turns? MasterZen> we offer you Poly and HBR, you can discuss what deal is best for those MasterZen> sure Kloreep> Okay ZargonX> sounds good! Kloreep> Re: poly and HBR, that might be a little while Sharpe> I wonder if the 4 of us should have a megachat to sort out who researches what? Kloreep> We're still trying to figure out what to research next; CoL is one idea MasterZen> well we already have HBR Kloreep> Good idea Sharpe MasterZen> you guys should coordinate with MAST Kloreep> And Sunshine Kloreep> They might be going for Rep too Kloreep> And only two can do the prereq techs Kloreep> Someone needs to go for Currency or Construction MasterZen> well, we're already tied up for Poly for the next ~20 turns (probably less when we get new cities) * Nimitz|Voteforme is now known as Nimitz|FiveDaysTillC3C Kloreep> Ouch * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|away Kloreep> Would you like to trade GNP figures? Kloreep> See what our relative research power is MasterZen> if I had PTW here yes :P MasterZen> but alas I don't MasterZen> any of you have C3C already? Kloreep> Not me Kloreep> I think Zargon does Rhothaerill> Still in transit Aggiemowa> waiting for it MasterZen> Zargon you there? Kloreep> * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|away Aggiemowa> cheap on me got the free take forever shipping Kloreep> Sharpe> probably getting it this Saturday Nimitz|FiveDaysTillC3C> still waiting Kloreep> I'm going to be away for 5 days anyway, so there wouldn't have been much point in getting it now Rhothaerill> I'm away for roughly the next ten days so no point for me either. MasterZen> I'm "away" at the moment Kloreep> So, we've agreed: Math for IW, LL will owe Tabemono 2 tech points, NTA on the techs for 20 turns MasterZen> yes Kloreep> Kloreep> If you'll put IW on the table this turn, we'll have Math next turn MasterZen> ok, don't remember if we played the save though Kloreep> Tabemono just sent it to MAST Sharpe> actually we just had the save now - just sent it to MAST Kloreep> So it'll be coming around to You Guys MasterZen> ok Sharpe> We should try to arrange for a 4 way chat sometime between the teams if we are agreeable to work together MasterZen> I agree *the rest of the chat has been snipped from this forum version due to irrelevancy, brief language, and adult situations such as starting out next to a volcano in C3C*

	24-11-2003 07:48									#12
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Noticed that it has been since November 6th - 17 days ago that we last chatted with Latin Lover, so trying to schedule a chat with them:

quote: [Sharpe] Hi MasterZen , we at Tabemono noticed that it [has been a while since we chatted with our Latin friends, so we were wondering if we could schedule a chat between us? [MZ[AVIA]] sure, when do you want it? [Sharpe] anytime should be fine, though hardly anyone is on right now [Sharpe] or I mean that Zargon is still eating (for 5 hours ) and Rhoth and Kloreep are on and off right now [MZ[AVIA]] ok, just not today, I need to catch up on PTWDG II stuff [Sharpe] k, that's fine [Sharpe] would any others on your team be joining in a chat ? I don't recall seeing many of them on IRC IIRC [MZ[AVIA]] yeah, they're never on :P [Sharpe] k [Sharpe] We just having 2 or 3 on the chat at once and another team joked about being overwhelmed by Tabemonos [Sharpe] in that case, just let us know when you want to chat , several of us are usually in the ISDG room at somepoint most times [MZ[AVIA]] yep

	01-12-2003 02:48									#13
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A chat held at Sharpe's suggestion:

quote: [14:52] * MasterZen has joined #party [14:53] [Kloreep] Hi [14:53] * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen [14:53] [Sharpe] was wondering if you were typing in morse code in the ISDG chatroom MZ [14:54] [MasterZen] .. ...... . .. [14:55] [MasterZen] so, what's up with our Tabemono friends? [14:55] [Kloreep] Not a whole lot, research and expand [14:56] [Sharpe] Just thought we should touch base with LL and see how things are going too [14:57] [Sharpe] Having fun with barbs of course [14:57] [MasterZen] well, nothing pretty exciting on our part [14:59] [Sharpe] LL still working on Polytheism? [14:59] [MasterZen] yep [14:59] [Sharpe] Doing currency here [15:00] [Sharpe] love how both of us are getting stuck with the expensive techs [15:01] [MasterZen] yeah :S [15:01] [MasterZen] oh well, getting the techs no-one likes to research has its benefits (trade) [15:01] [Sharpe] yeah [15:02] [Sharpe] how are things with the other two civs? [15:04] [Sharpe] any problems with either of them? [15:04] [MasterZen] no, haven't heard anything from Sunshine in quite some time [15:05] [MasterZen] we had a little incident with MAST because of an accidental move from one of thier Jags but no biggie [15:06] [Sharpe] yeah, still must be nice to have that chokepoint city up so they can't head into your area... [15:07] [Sharpe] any idea how long until you finish polytheism? [15:08] [MasterZen] hmm, haven't checked the save, probably less than 10 turns IIRC [15:08] [MasterZen] but don't take my word for it [15:08] [Sharpe] ok I won't [15:08] [MasterZen] :P [15:08] [Sharpe] we should be done currency shortly after that I think , not sure though [15:10] [Kloreep] Yes, we're around 10 turns IIRC [15:13] [Sharpe] we were thinking about inquiring about a polytheism for currency trade, but we weren't too sure how long it was going to take you to finish it and what we could use to even the trade out [15:14] [MasterZen] what are the tech costs for each? [15:14] [Sharpe] currency is 16 I think, checking on poly [15:14] [Rhothaerill] 12. [15:15] [Sharpe] yep , Currency is 16, poly is 12 [15:17] [Kloreep] Maybe LL could trade us HBR + poly for Currency? [15:18] [Sharpe] from our earlier trade we did IW (6) plus 2 IOUs for Math (8) [15:18] [Kloreep] Yep, so this would use an IOU [15:18] [Sharpe] we could make it HBR plus poly for Currency + 1 IOU (reducing it to 1 IOU left) [15:19] [MasterZen] hmm, sounds good [15:19] [MasterZen] I will post it in our forum, I don't see any possible objections [15:19] [Sharpe] any idea yet what you guys are going for next yet? [15:20] [Kloreep] Also maybe include a NTA with that [15:20] [Kloreep] We'll need to discuss this in our forum as well [15:20] [MasterZen] after poly probably philo or CoL [15:21] [Sharpe] ah, k, but you have writing? [15:23] [MasterZen] we will get that soon [15:23] [Sharpe] ah ok [15:24] [Sharpe] we aren't sure what we are doing after currency [15:27] [MasterZen] we will tell you what we do so you don't start on it [15:27] [Sharpe] k, that would be good [15:35] [Sharpe] anything else to chat about? [15:36] [MasterZen] hmm, not really [15:36] [Sharpe] like how the heck we ended up with so much jungle on this continent - ugggh [15:36] [Sharpe] [15:36] [MasterZen] hehehe [15:37] [Sharpe] kinda makes it not worth much to expand beyond your chokepoint eh? [15:38] [MasterZen] yeah, the incentives just aren't there [15:38] [Sharpe] jungle jungle and ... more jungle [15:39] [Sharpe] you see where the other 2 civs are yet? [15:39] [Sharpe] other 3 if you include us that is ... [15:41] [MasterZen] yeah, we know where Sunshine and Mast are [15:41] [Sharpe] yeah I think we found MAST around the same time as you , saw your unit nearby [15:44] [Sharpe] well we will let you know the vote on the trade - I don't forsee any problems with acceptance either [15:45] [MasterZen] cool [15:45] [Sharpe] if passed, can you give us a shout when you are 2 turns away from poly, we will do the same with currency [15:45] [Sharpe] shout = pm of course [15:47] [MasterZen] sure thing

Looks good to me. I think we should definitely get a long NTA on this one though; it's in our favor, as we can't trade a 12-point tech under a NTA (I think HBR has been passed around a lot already so it's immaterial) but they can't trade a 16-point.

	01-12-2003 05:03									#14
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Later part of the chat - in our chatroom I noted that Sunshine will have a large tech advantage with the rest of us when they get their free tech - and so I wondered what we could do about it - also to try to get more info out of MZ as some of us thought that he was being fairly tight lipped during the earlier chat...

quote: * Kloreep is now known as Kloreep|away [Sharpe] guess that means the chat is over [Sharpe] re Kloreep vamoosing... [MasterZen] hehehe [MasterZen] yeah, I'm going to post this right away [MasterZen] nice talking to you guys, here's to a future full of food and women [Sharpe] k, we just did and will post a trade poll [Sharpe] hmm, nice combo food and women [MasterZen] great [MasterZen] yeah, what more could one need in life? [MasterZen] (money) [Sharpe] hmm, don't have a team that concentrates on that I think [Rhothaerill] Hey MZ, quick question, could you authorize Civgeneral for the American Imperialists team? We have a sudden influx the past few days. [MasterZen] ok [Sharpe] I find it ironic that the C3C game is starting exactly 1 year after PTWDG1 did [Sharpe] oops, sorry - PTWDG 1 started on Dec 1 2002 [Sharpe] but very close anyhow * Rhothaerill is now known as Rhoth|Away [Sharpe] btw, has LL thought about a way to offset the trading bonus that Sunshine will get from their free middle age tech? [MasterZen] hmm, good poitn [MasterZen] maybe us, MAST and you can agree on splitting the initial Middle age techs [Sharpe] or "suggest" that Sunshine go for Literature then trade that plus their free tech while the 3 of us go for the more expensive ancient techs [Sharpe] like Construction Republic and Monarchy [Sharpe] hmm, though that would automatically force all of us to give Sunshine something to balance out the trades... [MasterZen] yeah, sunshine would win out tremedously [Sharpe] something to think about I guess - not sure how fast each of us research tech - which is a major consideration [MasterZen] one we near the middle age we should compare tech power [MasterZen] and each of us go for the tech which is most appropriate [Sharpe] hmm, yeah [Sharpe] middle age is coming up fast too [Sharpe] and with it the barb surge [MasterZen] ouch [Sharpe] I think only Construction, Philo and CoL will be left after both our teams complete our current research? [MasterZen] Lit? MM? [Sharpe] Lit isn't required I think [MasterZen] MM is [Sharpe] true [Sharpe] but Sunshine and MAST are doing research too of course [Sharpe] silly statement of course [MasterZen] yep [Sharpe] they are probably working on some of those I bet [MasterZen] probably Lit [MasterZen] they get cheap temples after all [MasterZen] *libraries [Sharpe] would make sense but not sure to be honest what Sunshine is doing [Sharpe] MAST has the cheap temples IIRC [MasterZen] *cheap libraries [Sharpe] yeah, Sunshine's scientific trait [Sharpe] they are the only ones while Tabemono is the only industrious IIRC [Sharpe] I always get confused which "civs" each of us is with the team name changes [Sharpe] well gtg here , nice chatting as always [MasterZen] ok, cya End of #party buffer Sun Nov 30 17:25:48 2003

	02-12-2003 02:35									#15
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Opinions on the trade? If we sign it, how long should the NTA be? If included at all?

	02-12-2003 03:00									#16
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20 or 40 turn limits IMHO.

	02-12-2003 07:44									#17
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30 turns?

It may take other civs a while to buy these expensive techs, so I don't think a long NTA is out of order.

Good to see you back GK.

	06-12-2003 11:14									#18
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Forgot to post this log here. Dated December 3rd 17:17 CST. It's already been posted in the LL trade thread so unless you missed it there, no need to read this one.

quote: [Kloreep] Can we talk about PTWDG II for a moment? [MasterZen] sure [16:55] [Kloreep] It looks like the team approves of the Currency-Poly+HBR trade, so long as a NTA is included [16:55] [Kloreep] How's the LL debate going? [16:59] [Kloreep] ? [17:01] [MasterZen] we accept it [17:01] [MasterZen] consider it done [17:01] [MasterZen] NTA for how long? [17:02] [Kloreep] 30 turns? [17:02] [Kloreep] That was the majority-favored length [17:06] [Kloreep] ? [17:12] [MasterZen] sorry, back [17:13] [MasterZen] well, we'll have to poll on 30, I think most of us had thought of around 20 [17:15] [Kloreep] 20 might work; I'm not sure how adamant the team is about 30 [17:15] [Kloreep] I'll post this chat and get back to you [17:17] [Kloreep] Would you see if 30 works for you guys? [17:26] [MasterZen] sure [17:32] * MasterZen has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

	06-12-2003 11:33									#19
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quote: [23:52] [Kloreep] A brief request from Tabemono [23:53] [Kloreep] We ask that The Slayer not move 9 on your next turn (1325) [23:57] [Kloreep] You there? [23:57] [MZ[Cooking]] um ok, any reason? [23:57] [MZ[Cooking]] I haven't seen the map... [23:57] [Kloreep] We want to build a city there [23:57] [Kloreep] The settler can move there next turn if it isn't blocked [23:58] [Kloreep] I'm afraid we have you blocked 8 of The Slayer as well, that's how we found your unit [23:58] [Kloreep] But you could still move 7 or 6 [00:02] [MasterZen] ok [00:16] [Kloreep] Also, we're fine with a 20-turn NTA [00:16] [Kloreep] On the Currency-Poly+HBR deal [00:20] [MasterZen] cool [00:32] [Kloreep] I've sent an official PM [00:32] [MasterZen]

This PM sent:

quote: -Tabemono gives Currency to Latin Lover in exchange for Polytheism and Horseback Riding. The techs will be traded once they have been researched by the appropriate sides. One of Latin Lover's two IOU tech points is considered fulfilled by this deal. -There will be a NTA period of 20 turns, starting from the turn on which the trade takes place. While the NTA is in effect, neither side may trade the tech(s) gained from the other. Signed by Kloreep on behalf of Team Tabemono

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From MZ

quote: quote: -Tabemono gives Currency to Latin Lover in exchange for Polytheism and Horseback Riding. The techs will be traded once they have been researched by the appropriate sides. One of Latin Lover's two IOU tech points is considered fulfilled by this deal. -There will be a NTA period of 20 turns, starting from the turn on which the trade takes place. While the NTA is in effect, neither side may trade the tech(s) gained from the other. Signed by Kloreep on behalf of Team Tabemono Signed by Master Zen on behalf of Team Latin Lover

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quote: [22:13] [Kloreep> Hi [22:13] [Kloreep> Tabemono's still 3 or 4 turns away from Currency [22:13] [MasterZen> ok [22:13] [MasterZen> we're doing MM [22:14] [MasterZen> just started [22:14] [Kloreep> okay [22:14] [Kloreep> I'm honestly not sure what we're doing next [22:15] [MasterZen> ok, as long as its not MM :P

	18-12-2003 04:12									#22
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quote: [16:48] [Kloreep> Hi [16:49] [MasterZen> hey [16:50] [Kloreep> Tabemono finishes Currency next turn and we'll send it to you [16:51] [Kloreep> Have you decided on your next research project? [17:02] [MasterZen> MapMaking [17:02] [MasterZen> we're 11 turns away [17:03] [Kloreep> I'm not sure what we're doing next [17:04] [Kloreep> Which is one reason I asked you [17:05] [MasterZen> well, don't do MM :P [17:05] [Kloreep> k [17:05] [MasterZen> do Lit, we can trade MM for Lit, we owe you 1 or 2 points? [17:05] [MasterZen> those can be made up, MM is 12 and Lit is 10 [17:07] [Kloreep> Heh, I just looked in our LL thread and we already had this conversation about MM [17:07] [Kloreep> Re: Lit, that is an option [17:07] [Kloreep> As I said, we haven't decided yet [17:07] [MasterZen> ok, well if you go for Lit, then our MM would be a good trade IMO

Interesting. I didn't tell him we're getting MM just yet; they'll find out soon enough anyway, and since I did this short chat at my own behest I didn't want to say much.

It sounds like Sunshine and LL have some bad blood between them... that, or they just aren't communicating for some reason.

	18-12-2003 04:16									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep It sounds like Sunshine and LL have some bad blood between them... that, or they just aren't communicating for some reason.

Hmm, let's see. Master Zen is the primary contact from LL and BigFree is the primary contact from Sunshine. That would be my guess.

	18-12-2003 04:20									#24
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There's Togas too, though.

Seems odd for two teams that aren't geographically close.

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Chatting with Master Zen a little bit - he says that Latin Lover is doing Construction and offers to let everyone know when they are close to completing it so we can be prepared re the barb explosion.

He also wondered if we should hoard gold - I suppose that gives us another option re Construction, but I don't know if we want to give Latin Lover more gold for upgrades

	12-01-2004 08:48									#26
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I had asked MasterZen earlier if he could let us in Tabemono know what they were doing in research now that Map Making was done (which also indirectly let him know that we have Map Making already)

quote: [MasterZen] hey Sharpe, we are doing ConstructionMasterZen] PTWDG II [MasterZen] btw, we can trade maps if you want to [Sharpe] sorry was afk there [Sharpe] hmm, maps sounds intriguing, I can bring it up in the forum [MasterZen] sure [Sharpe] hmm, if you and another get Construction, it is likely that the Middle Age Barb Explosion will happen won't it? [MasterZen] yes [MasterZen] we can give you guys warning various turns before we get it just in case [Sharpe] that should be fun with all these mountains and jungles [Sharpe] yeah, they would be greatly appreciated [Sharpe] that would be greatly appreciated re: warning [MasterZen] ok [Sharpe] not sure what we are doing, running out of techs to do in ancient age here [MasterZen] maybe you guys can hoard gold and then run a deficit with the first med tech [Sharpe] hmm, that might be an idea [Sharpe] if you don't mind me asking, what's your view on the situation in the game so far? [Sharpe] the other continent seems to be doing well it seems [MasterZen] no, not at all, well it seems we all get along pretty well, I have not yet sensed any frictions or anything of the sort. Perhaps I'm a little wary of Sunshine possibly getting Feudalism for free with the era change but other than that no big problems. And of course I have no clue what is going on in the other continent [MasterZen] *no, not at all = mind you asking [Sharpe] yeah, seems good on our side so far [Sharpe] looks as though Cake or Death moved capitals though [Sharpe] and Monkey's score is rather flat the past 20 or so turns [Sharpe] yeah, Sunshine will get a tech for free with the new age - may not be feudalism perhaps though ... [MasterZen] let's hope not [Sharpe] yeah, that is the strongest tech of the first 3 [Sharpe] though pikes are useless to them [Sharpe] the Latin team seems to be doing very well in the game so far, congrats on that btw [MasterZen] but getting med infs even a few turns before anyone else offers a small but advantageous window of oportunity [MasterZen] thanks [MasterZen] I am very pleasantly surprised at how good we've been doing, I really don't do much on the team other than diplomacy which makes it all the more meritious for them [Sharpe] I have to admit that it appears that MAST and Sunshine aren't doing as well - although Sunshine is doing very well as far as tech is concerned [MasterZen] maybe their land isn't good. Well, ours isn't spectacular but its decent I guess [Sharpe] unless the powergraph is lying that is (good chance of that actually ) [Sharpe] yeah, same with us , decent but with a fair amount of problem areas

	12-01-2004 20:12									#27
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Well of course we want maps!

Be forewarned, I come from a much different philosophy on trading than most of you, so if you have some reasonable argument against, let me know.

But, getting their map should be a priority. If they want to straight trade, great! If not, let's trade with Sunshine and MAST seperately, then give them the rest of the known world for theirs.

I am not afraid to give favorable trades to other teams, btw. "Fair Price" to me and my line of thinking is the amount you are able to get from a given item at a given time.

I have collected various items in RL, and this is always the case no matter what 'book value' is. Nothing in MP Civ 3 has shown me that it is any different there either.

So, in this case, we need their map, they need ours, thus it = a fair trade even if they 'get more' in terms of territory revealed.

Last edited by UnOrthOdOx on 12-01-2004 at 20:17

	15-01-2004 22:01									#28
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From MWIA:

quote: Hello, amigos! I have recently become a little more active in the LL team, and some seem eager for me to help MZ in the Foreign Affairs department, seeing as I speak English pretty well and I can understand (most of) everything that is discussed in the team forum too. Plus I KNOW you and many on the other teams. So, I'd like to start my diplomatic career by throwing out a feeler about tech trading. From our records I see that we have already had a succesful trade so far: We gave you HBR and Poly for the Currency. Or is this still pending? What would you guys think about a potential trade for Construction, which is our target? Or if not, what could we possibly do to organise another trade? We are always open to options here. :0 We are also continuing to discuss the proposal you sent around not long ago re the FARE Pact. Members come in and give their opinions in dribs and drabs, as I am sure they do for every team, so I will let you know when I have something further to say. Until then, let us all eat, drink and chercher les femmes miran las chicas! WIA.

	17-01-2004 09:28									#29
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quote: Greetings to UnOrthOdOx and your Tabemono Team on behalf of the newest of the Latin Lover team's Foreign Affairs staff. I will be conducting some of this work from now on, along with MasterZen as usual, and at times some others. However, with the advantage of having English as my first language, the team was only too pleased to have me help out! I want to kick off on a positive note: We think a map trade as proposed by you guys would be an excellent idea, so we will be accepting any offers of maps that come our way with the next turn and replying with our own map. We look forward to finding exactly where you hide all your women. Until the next time, MrWIA.

	17-01-2004 11:04									#30
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Uh-oh... UnO and MrWIA are opposing diplomats? I guess I'd better get the war machine ready