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I was under the impression that Santa Claus originated with Saint Nicholas, a christian religious leader. Also, some Christians believe Jesus was born on April 6.
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Ben - quote:
Berz:
You either have authority or you don't. Makes no sense to claim you have no authority, and then to go and tell me how it is. |
Ben, you're not reading my posts, I've said twice now (this is the third time) that I don't know if the nativity scene is ahistorical or accurate. I wasn't there, got that? 
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Hey super genius -- I was not talking about the DATE that Jesus Christ was born. But if we Christians have chosen a date based on traditons and custom, there is no harm with that. |
Hey super genius, where did I say there was harm in Christians picking a date of their choosing? Take a chill pill. The fact remains, Christmas was most likely NOT the birthdate of Jesus but based on paganism observances.
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how can people claim that Jesus was never born at all -- it WAS an actual historic event, regardless of WHEN it happened. |
The date and the reasons for that date are part of a "historical" event. If I said Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japanese on July 15, 1963 because the US was getting involved in Vietnam, pointing out I was wrong doesn't warrant insults.
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Well they ARE right... The events of Chanuka for example are documented historically in dozens of places, those friendly to Jews and those not, the accounts are all pretty similar-the events unquestionably all happened
In any case I still think this is rediculous, this is some jack ### abusing the letter of a law to lash out at Christians.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by MrFun
That some morons have claimed that Jesus Christ was not born at all -- that he never existed as a person. |
Hey, look who's sounding like a fundamentalist himself. Along with your snotty "supergenius" comment, I'm wondering when you became so shrill.
As Jack and Berz pointed out, and you ignored, there are sound reasons for doubting an historical Jesus, and even better ones for doubting the reality of the Nativity. We've had several discussions of this in the past.
There is, in fact, NO contemporary evidence of the existence of Jesus, and there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that indicates he didn't exist as described in the Bible at all. Is it conclusive? No, and likely never will be, but it's certainly not the domain of "morons." Perhaps you'd like to remove your head from your derriere in this matter and understand that different people have drawn different conclusions from the evidence.
Now, I'd like you to prove to me Jesus really existed. Keep in mind that only first-hand, documentary evidence contemporary with his life is accepted as conclusive. Go.
(btw, the NYC schools are, as usual, being stupid)
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Wouldn't having a Ramadan break be kinda like having off all of Lent? That's a little ambitious don't you think?
It seems to me to that the people who established this policy are incredibly bad tacticians if what they had in mind was further reducing religious influences in the public school system. What do they think they're going to accomplish by favoring a total of about 5% of the population (Muslems and Jews) over the other 75%? Wouldn't that sorta be like Denmark staging a pre-emptive attack against Germany in 1940? They're forcing a conflict over a minor side issue. Oh wait, the public schools are already very much secularized, so there really isn't an issue currently. Howevwer, on the day that there is an issue, supposing that someone wants to re-instate prayer, they will have utterly scuttled what ever amount of rational perspective the general public might have had on the issue.
The guy who came up with this idea should be sent to Iraq....to plan strategy and tactics for the opposition. We'd soon be knee deep in captive suicide bombers.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:32
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For one thing, it is mentioned only in one of the three Synoptic Gospels.
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So do all the Synoptic Gospels have to repeat each other?
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Historically, there was no census taken around that time, and certainly most of the "hiotorical events" in the Synoptic Gospels are not.
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Well I think it 's high time somebody posted the account.
Luke 2:1-20
"In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) And everyone went to his own town to register.
So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
The Shepherds and the Angels
And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ[1] the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."
When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about."
So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Hey, look who's sounding like a fundamentalist himself. Along with your snotty "supergenius" comment, I'm wondering when you became so shrill.
As Jack and Berz pointed out, and you ignored, there are sound reasons for doubting an historical Jesus, and even better ones for doubting the reality of the Nativity. We've had several discussions of this in the past.
There is, in fact, NO contemporary evidence of the existence of Jesus, and there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that indicates he didn't exist as described in the Bible at all. Is it conclusive? No, and likely never will be, but it's certainly not the domain of "morons." Perhaps you'd like to remove your head from your derriere in this matter and understand that different people have drawn different conclusions from the evidence.
Now, I'd like you to prove to me Jesus really existed. Keep in mind that only first-hand, documentary evidence contemporary with his life is accepted as conclusive. Go.
(btw, the NYC schools are, as usual, being stupid) |
So you brush off archaeological evidence as "circumstantial?"
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