21-11-2003 19:42									#1
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Turkey. Dressing. Desserts out the keester.
I make a motion that we have Thansgiving more than one day a year.

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	21-11-2003 19:49									#2
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What is the history behind Thanksgiving? Why do you celebrate it?

	21-11-2003 19:55									#3
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When the Pilgrims and Native Americans (Injuns) got together.

Of course, MrFun will come in here and say it was something else.

	21-11-2003 20:00									#4
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I hope everyone enjoys themselves at Thanksgiving, but I still believe that fireworks are a colossal waste of money.

	21-11-2003 20:02									#5
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Yes, I should have guessed from the picture. That's a good picture btw (I have a book where this guy writes a story and takes lots of pictures from dogs playing and acting the story, he's dresses them and all it's really good).

So these Injuns were one tribe? I figure it was a big tribe. How about other tribes? Was this the final agreement of peace and harmony, or is this a day when the first tribe was in agreement with the pilgrims, and they settled down? Was this in the midwest? Wasn't it the pioneers who went to west and had all the action with Natives?

	21-11-2003 20:05									#6
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Different Tribes in different parts of the country.
Like many separate nations on a land mass.

Duke. Buddy. You're thinking of Independence Day. 4th of July.

	21-11-2003 20:05									#7
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they did come together peacefully that first year. it was just afterward that they started slaughtering each other.

	21-11-2003 20:08									#8
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don't let peta see that.

	21-11-2003 20:09									#9
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and reading Pekka's and duke o' yorks posts it becomes apparent how little europeans know about america, her history, and her culture

	21-11-2003 20:11									#10
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The Offical Story™ is that when the Pilgrams left England they didn't have enough food or knowledge to make a living the first winter here in the New World (which was more or less the case with all the early English colonies here). Many died of cold and starvation, but the local tribe took pity on the Pilgrams and gave them food and taught them how to plant.

The following year, the Pilgrams invited the Indians to a feast to share in all the food they had grown thanks to the Indians.

The reality is somewhat different.

	21-11-2003 20:11									#11
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I'm sorry. I get things mixed up sometimes.

	21-11-2003 20:12									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer and reading Pekka's and duke o' yorks posts it becomes apparent how little europeans know about america, her history, and her culture

Why should they know about this day?

	21-11-2003 20:14									#13
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quote: when the Pilgrams left England they didn't have enough food or knowledge to make a living the first winter here in the New World

but they lived in the Netherlands for a generation before coming to Mass.

	21-11-2003 20:15									#14
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che, no no I have heard this story before.. Somehow I totally forgot about it. The food and surviving thing and all that. I remember it again, thanks for reminder.

But yes, this is not very important to foreigners, as we don't study American history (unless you want to) day by day and play by play, because we have our own histories and other countries histories to study as well, and we spend a great deal to learn about European history, which is not easy subject and requires lots of attention and studying. It's just an excuse I know, but we need to prioritize. We do learn the basics though. I just forgot.

	21-11-2003 20:16									#15
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you'd think that the pilgrim's clothing would be damn uncomfortable.

i feel sorry for the cat.

	21-11-2003 20:20									#16
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Wern't there a load of English settler before the pilgrims.

	21-11-2003 20:21									#17
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Ok then, I'll take Mr Fun's part. The whole story is fake, and does quite a handsome job for the most part of covering up the shameful treatment of the native Americans by early European settlers, and for that matter, their descendents.

I know that Independence Day is the one for blowing up the equivalent of the GDPs of small nations, but I'd be surprised if nobody hears fireworks on Thanksgiving too. Here in Yurp we blow them up on New Year's Eve for no good reason and so they have become synonymous with celebrations. People will have them at weddings, etc. Fireworks manufacturers also require a better revenue stream than just once or twice a year so they'll happily support hawking even more to celebrate the most minor things.

	21-11-2003 20:24									#18
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AS,

and reading Pekka's and duke o' yorks posts it becomes apparent how little europeans know about america, her history, and her culture

If you're right in that Pekka can be said to represent Europe, we're pretty well off I'd say. I think you should check out http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=101146 then compare Pekka's knowledge of America to that of the average American, you silly troll.

	21-11-2003 20:24									#19
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I look at Thanksgiving as a way to celebrate our national freedom and abundance of resources with a great feast and parades!

So all I have to say to you pepople who say "Whine whine whine, indians died, boohoo waaahh" is STFU!

	21-11-2003 20:28									#20
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Does anyone reckon that the native Americans celebrated their national freedom and their abundance of resources before they were so rudely interrupted?

It's not just the fact that many natives died - look back at the purchase of Manhattan and tell me that the natives got a fair deal.

	21-11-2003 20:30									#21
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Hell. They make that up daily running bingo halls.

	21-11-2003 20:31									#22
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quote: Does anyone reckon that the native Americans celebrated their national freedom and their abundance of resources before they were so rudely interrupted?

I happen to know two familys, on Crow the other Cherokee, that have long since come to terms with the past and are proud to be Americans. They too celebrate Thanksgiving, and to them it has nothing to do with pilgrims.

	21-11-2003 20:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Wern't there a load of English settler before the pilgrims.

The Jamestown colony almost completely starved to death. Apparently the concept of fishing didn't occur to them. When the ships arrived the next spring, they found a bunch of living skeletons. Course, but by the time the religious extremists showed up, the Jamestown colony had already bought its first African slaves and was doing quite well.

	21-11-2003 20:36									#24
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Besides, I argue that this hardly makes me ignorant about American history, the country itself OR the culture.

Just because I forgot what this day again was about doesn't show it IMO.

	21-11-2003 20:37									#25
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Monk, And that one was a joke. But there is some info on it that is real too.

	21-11-2003 20:43									#27
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if there's one thing an Alaskan and a Texan can agree on its that big food is good

	21-11-2003 20:43									#28
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Oh now I'm hungry! maybe some tacos.

	21-11-2003 20:43									#29
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Thanksgiving is great. It is a good time for good food and getting the family together.

	21-11-2003 20:44									#30
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well pekka, i doubt more than 1% of americans know anything about Finland so it's all good.