01-12-2003 02:30									#1
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast...main/index.html

**** with the best, die like the rest, *******s.

Iraqi *******s trying to ambush US convoy: 46 KIA, 18 WIA, 8 EPW.

US forces from 4ID: 5 WIA.

It's about time we started taking the war back to these SOB's.

	01-12-2003 02:31									#2
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Postia ante deletia... hang on....

	01-12-2003 02:33									#3
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NICE.

Reading global security hardware and debating the war all day puts this into relative environment, as well

	01-12-2003 02:33									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast...main/index.html Iraqi *******s trying to ambush US convoy: 46 KIA, 18 WIA, 8 EPW.

Shouldn't that be 26 EPW?

	01-12-2003 02:34									#5
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"Yeah!!!!"

Are you the cheer leader for the iraqi resistance now?

	01-12-2003 02:35									#6
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Yeh, I was about to post this. Why do you think they went for something more than a squad level attack, with which they've been having some success? Is Hussein still thinking he'll get us in a Mogadishu situation?

	01-12-2003 02:35									#7
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Maybe the wounded attempted to escape , or got dragged off by their buddies.

The article didn't give an explanation of any overlap, so I assume we just have 8 live bodies.

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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler "Yeah!!!!" Are you the cheer leader for the iraqi resistance now?

This round went the other way. Although I'll cheer for any members of the Iraqi "resistance" who achieve spiritual enlightenment.

	01-12-2003 02:38									#9
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What type and size would this convoy have been?

	01-12-2003 02:39									#10
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what is epw ?

	01-12-2003 02:39									#11
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat This round went the other way.

Nope. The political situation is that when iraqis kill US soldiers, you lose. And when US soldiers kill Iraqis, you lose. The only positive effect of that military "success" may be to get your balls swelling.

	01-12-2003 02:41									#12
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Kill 'em all

no mercy

sooner or later they will run out of bodies

	01-12-2003 02:42									#13
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler And when US soldiers kill Iraqis, you lose. The only positive effect of that military "success" may be to get your balls swelling.

The **** are you talking about? Aside from collateral damage - Iraqi deaths are reinforcement of success back home, especially when the assumed "voice" for soldier safety has been the main driving opposition to war as of late. Perhaps getting your sorry "my guys lost today" ass out of this thread would do well for both sides.

	01-12-2003 02:43									#14
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some koreans and japanese have been killed too. didn't know that.

	01-12-2003 02:44									#15
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A few days ago there was a big stash of missles seized. Have there been any further attacks on aircraft since then?

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Yeh, I was about to post this. Why do you think they went for something more than a squad level attack, with which they've been having some success? Is Hussein still thinking he'll get us in a Mogadishu situation?

You would have been nice and PC about it, though, so I had to get it in first.

I doubt Hussein has any level of operational control even in Tikrit. Neither he, nor anyone else on that side, can safely operate sufficient comms of any type to really communicate in detail and direct operations.

There have been a lot of actions up to full platoon strength, if you count mortarmen and elements not directly in the ambush, but covering the withdrawal of their ambush elements.

Going something close to company strength like this could be nothing more than an ad hoc situation of two or three groups trying to operate in unison (and perhaps coordinating poorly and thus helping get themselves hosed). It could be they've just gotten cocky after the successes they had this month, or it could be some sort of attempt at a new strategy of escalation. In any event, we should be able to get good intel info out of this, and it certainly sends a message back.

	01-12-2003 02:44									#17
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quote: And when US soldiers kill Iraqis, you lose.

Hmmm... This seems like a pretty clean operation among all of the possibilites. That's why I'm surprised the resistance gave the US this opportunity.

	01-12-2003 02:45									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed what is epw ?

Enemy prisoner of war.

	01-12-2003 02:47									#19
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What is war?

	01-12-2003 02:48									#20
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Kill them, grill them, eat their charred remains.

	01-12-2003 02:48									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Hmmm... This seems like a pretty clean operation among all of the possibilites.

So it's limited damage. Great.

	01-12-2003 02:49									#22
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quote: You would have been nice and PC about it, though, so I had to get it in first.

quote: In any event, we should be able to get good intel info out of this, and it certainly sends a message back.

I also think this was very useful.

	01-12-2003 02:50									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove A few days ago there was a big stash of missles seized. Have there been any further attacks on aircraft since then?

Not that I know of, but even if you discount smuggling new ones in, there's probably 50,000 of the damned things still in country. Any stoppage of aircraft casualties is much more likely due to changes in flight procedures and airfield security rather than a reduction of the Iraqi's theoretical capability of anti-air attacks.

	01-12-2003 02:51									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy What is war?

People shooting at your ass on at least a semi-organized basis.

	01-12-2003 02:51									#25
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quote: So it's limited damage. Great.

Limited damage of the type we want to limit. But I don't know how you could say that the US doesn't benefit from this reminder of how lopsided the war was and a demonstration that we still have our discipline at a high level.

	01-12-2003 02:53									#26
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Roland: Perhaps you can explain to me the downside of killing insurgents? Because I don't see it myself.

	01-12-2003 02:58									#27
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quote: People shooting at your ass on at least a semi-organized basis

memories

	01-12-2003 02:58									#28
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Nope. The political situation is that when iraqis kill US soldiers, you lose. And when US soldiers kill Iraqis, you lose. The only positive effect of that military "success" may be to get your balls swelling.

You're not usually so simplistic. Outside Iraq, nobody gives a real rat's ass, in comparison to other political issues vis-a-vis the US. The rhetoric and grumbling might be there, but that's the end of it - the world still operates as Macchiavelli described.

Within Iraq, the situation is far from monolithic, even within specific ethnoreligious groups - why do you think Hussein had to purge a good portion of his IRG units and move all of them further out of Baghdad in the mid 90's?

A lot of people there would like to see the US have it's collective asses handed back to it, but they also want to be positioned to follow their own agenda successfully if the power vacuum can be created. The increase of Iraqi on Iraqi attacks also reflects a lack of "solidarity" in the "Iraqi people."

	01-12-2003 02:58									#29
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Death sucks.

	01-12-2003 02:58									#30
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Roland is like the insurgents, desparate for attention against an overwhelming adversary that is on the inevitable road to victory.