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Oh - and big thanks to Korea. That seems so weird, Korean troops in Iraq
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Not at all. One involved a vehicle rampaging down the street spraying bullets at civilians, the other a tank deciding it's high time those factory workers start... **** I don't know. It's just obvious that American forces looooove that Thanksgiving civilian hunt.
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I think Korea just does it to please the US having N. Korea in its doorstep and all that. There's some fierce antiamericanism all over that place that shames others. I very much doubt is a free decision, much more like real politik. The same story with some other countries which thought they could just say yes and gain some privileges not counting that there will be repercursions. But all novices are allowed an initial mistake.
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this is some good news
hopefully the other platoons will hide down for a while (and maybe give up)
it is this sort of thing that helps end a guerrila war
Jon miller
(and I saw this on CNN first as well, I just did not feel like making a thread (figured someone else would for me, thanks MTG))
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why dont they love us?
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"The greatest force of the planet" (lol) is getting their asses kicked hard by a banch of rag tags though.
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Okay, hold it. I won't even argue about the rights and wrongs about invading Iraq, except to add that there are many more deserving and horrific regimes, like North Korea, and that the USA conveniently did not invade while Saddam committed genocide against the Kurds. (Okay, okay, I just couldn't help myself). I'm still happy to see the man gone, and I hope dead. Saddam was a truly evil person. I just wish that it had been done competently.
The reason we have US and other troops dying in the current numbers in Iraq is sheer incompetency in the Rumsfeld DOD and the unilateralism of the Bush administration. You have another debacle where Rumsfeld's captive intelligence planning group overrode the planning of the career military people, saying that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms. When these career military types tried to get anyone in the administration to listen (they predicted almost everything that has happened since the Saddam regime fell) they were ignored.
Results? Insuffiicient (hugely insufficient) MP's on the ground when things fell apart in Iraq. Due to contracting out, minimal military infrastructure-rebuild type people. Funny thing, the employees of the contractors don't like getting shot at, so rebuilding takes place slowly as the military no longer has the people, and the contractor hates getting shot at - law of unintended consequences.
No infrastructure and lack of coalition (USA does not have widespread support from other countries with better occupation and rebuilding experience) means the Iraqi people are getting more and more fed up with not having reliable power and water. This makes them more susceptable to recruiting efforts by groups opposing the US intervention.
The lack of MP's and security has meant the death of numerous moderates, further polarizing the political situation. A foobar the USA will be lucky to get out of without substantially more casualties. Look at the mishandling of Afghanistan, and then realize with horror that the Bush adminstration has learned NOTHING from that, and then you realize they are fools. The worse problem is that the USA has a tiger by the tail, and even if the Bush adminstration is voted out of office, whoever replaces them will be stuck.
Also note the political fall-out from the invasion of Iraq, the further polarization of USA-Moslem nation relations, the strengthening of radical Moslem groups around the Moslem world as backlash to the USA intervention, and lets just say I'm not paticularly impressed by the entire operation. Hopefully history will prove me wrong, but if you look at the history of similarly botched operations, it doesn't look too promising.
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:32
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quote:
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I'd much rather have live prisoners, because they're a lot more informative than dead enemies, but that's not a feasible outcome.
Death is incidental to victory. I'm more interested in the fact that we decisively and overwhelmingly repelled their attacks and what effect that may have on their morale and will to fight. The key is breaking their will to fight, and every victory like this heads us in that direction. If they don't quit, they don't give us, or the rest of the Iraqis, many alternatives. |
When loser Bush is vote out that when we will leave Iraq. Turkey would never have help us. First 98 % of the people in
Turkey where oppose to allow US troop to use Turkey as than base. I hear we try to encought than Coup against the Government of Turkey an lost. Coup very rarely occour when than large segmiment of the nation population support than popular government.
We are faceing than other Vietman in Iraq and afghanistan
which we will lose as we did in Vietman. Saddam is confiss than true Muslum by other Muslum.
Iran have nuclear weapon allready and that the reall reason Bush doesnot want to bring it before UN security council to have it member call Bush than loser. Pakistian , Bangladesh and India arenot going to sent any troop at all
and Bush ask repeated and the answer is no way from these Nations.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:32
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
MtG:
"In the ideal situation... we would have long ago secured and destroyed all major munitions depots and supply points"
The Bushies ****ed that up like everything else, but I doubt it would have provided a real solution.
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It would have made a major difference to the combat capabilities of the insurgent and foreign fighters. They could still still plink the occasional target with smallarms, but everyone has those, including Iraqi security forces, police, bodyguars, etc. We couldn't get all the big stuff, but we could have gotten most of it, and made things like helicopter shootdowns and vehicles blown off roads much less frequent. It also would have tended toward equalizing enemy firepower compared to friendly Iraqi firepower.
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"We will be stuck there damned near forever (or at least until the oil runs out  ) unless we increase the pace of training of a new Iraqi army, and unless we do a very good job of supporting the development of stable political institutions by the Iraqis themselves."
That is about the only exit, one that is frought with risks too, and one that you know and I know that the Bushies in their stunning ability to believe in ponies under horseshit will **** up, too.
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Given the necessary timeframe, I'm hoping the mess will be cleaned up by a Clark administration.
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01-12-2003 12:02
You Yankee boys got a lot of these "victories" ahead. You're still gonna lose. 
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