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From what little I've read they said that ALL children should be protected from terrorism?
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Bereta_Eder
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Why antisemetic and not anti-israel?
The word antisemetic is thrown around so much I doubt it has any meaning left in it at all...
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by paiktis22
From what little I've read they said that ALL children should be protected from terrorism? |
I think it was te changing it to refer to excesses of ISrael's Military and the like
JKon Miller
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Bereta_Eder
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Originally posted by Oerdin
In other words they tried to take a bill designed to protect children and turn it into a political foot ball with which to bash Israel.
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Isn't that what Israel tried to do too? Besides all I see is the will to condemn the loss of young lives independendly from which nation. That can only be applauded no matter how jaded the nations in the UN are. In the end it comes down to inocent lives being wasted one way or another for whatever reason. The fact that they wanted excessive use of Israel to be included too, seeing the results of it too, actually does what the bill says or should say: the protection of all young lives. I wonder what its practicallity is though anyway.
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shawnmmcc
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Comments on various thoughts presented here:
Excuse me, but the fanatics on both sides of the conflict don't give a d*mn about the children, but only on their narrow intolerant views. They don't care if they kill someone else's children, and are often ready to sacrifice their own on the altar of intolerance and ambition.
Zionism and Judaism have become inexorably linked in the minds of many. Unfortunately.
Most people, unfortunately, really only care about their kids, not somebody else's (though most pay lip service to the comment "children come first"). I wish everyone, from the politicians down to the lowliest soldier or voter, involved with or in favor of war, had to watch Hotaru no haka (Grave of the Fireflies) (1988) directed by Isao Takahata. Go to www.imdb.com to get some viewer spin on it. Hopefully it would make the people involved think twice. (I've already started a thread on it once). It looks at war from the viewpoint of the children, very well I might add.
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shawnmmcc
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Oerdin, you have your social dynamics a bit wrong. 70% of the Palestinian people support the suicide bombers. You could argue that they are all monsters, or you can ask how can a people be so terribly treated and feel so hopeless that this happens.
Much of the support for the suicide bombers comes from the constant "collateral" deaths of Palestinian civilians during Israeli military ops on the West Bank. The Israeli military is treating the West Bank as a war zone, when it is in fact an occupied territory. Under the rules of war you are not supposed to shoot missles into apartement buildings to conduct the assassination of suspected (usually quite strongly with sound evidence) terrorist leaders, you are supposed to go in and arrest them. Like in Northern Ireland.
The Israelis are willing to kill Palestinian non-combatants, INCLUDING CHILDREN, to spare their troops. Then they get upset and righteous over the resulting backlash. They engage in retaliation against family members of terrorists, bulldozing homes of people who often had no involvement, again in violation of the Geneva conventions . Every house they bulldoze adds to the the reservior of recruits for Hamas. They are seizing Palatinian property for the benefit of the Israeli so-called settlers, and have stolen the water from the Palestinian people. (you get to keep the land, I get your water - in a desert country, what a deal) If you don't believe me, google "Water Rights" "West Bank" and go to the non-Arab sources.
None of this excuses the terrorism! But it makes it understandable, as a people without hope lash out in the only way that has seen any success. As far as I am concerned, I wish the USA had kept largely out of it, and let other people become the target of the Moslem fanatics. Look at Northern Ireland. They have been killing each other over religion, dominance, and intolerance for close to four centuries. I expect to be hearing about deaths in the Holy Land while I listen to BBC world news in a retirement home  .
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Bereta_Eder
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I agree with shawnmmcc (difficult name!) except for his last sentence maybe because I'm optimistic. I also have to wonder who's really benefitting from all this. And don't think on a "national" level only.
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Bereta_Eder
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That's one for sure! And plenty of ISPs too no doubt.
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01-12-2003 10:57
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