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Tripledoc
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Yes, but there it's norm. Did you know that there are many people arested in Egypt for forming gay clubs ( that are illegal )? I won't even start talking about the rest of the arab world. |
Again the problem is more complex. Anyone who has actually been to Egypt will notice that in some places popular with tourists elderly Western men are consorting with younger, in some cases much younger, Egyptian men. Obviously some sort of money transaction must take place between them. I think that the Egyptian authorities fear that this sex trade will get out of hand, like Thailand for instance, and hence they use rather heavyhanded tactics.
Of course the people who feel genuine affection to eachother are also hurt by this policing effort, and the authorities should make an effort to seperate between relationships of an affectionate character and one based on pecuniary interest.
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Tripledoc
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WORLD NEWS: Islam is no drag on economic growth, US think-tank finds
By Alan Beattie in Washington
Financial Times; Dec 08, 2003
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There is no evidence that Islam restricts economic growth, according to new research that casts doubt on the widely-held belief that Muslim societies are intrinsically less conducive to capitalism than those dominated by other religions.
The study, by Marcus Noland at the Institute for International Economics think-tank in Washington, reviewed growth in developing countries over the past few decades and found no evidence that countries with large Muslim populations grew more slowly, or had lower productivity growth.
Looking at growth within three religiously mixed countries - India, Malaysia and Ghana - only Malaysia showed statistically significant lower growth within its Muslim population.
"Islam does not appear to be a drag on growth or an anchor on development as alleged," the paper concludes.
Excluding the effects of oil production, which dominates the Islamic Middle East, or studying Muslim Arab countries separately made no difference to the results. Conventional economic fundamentals such as the level of education and the share of investment and government in the economy - which were found to be unrelated to the prevalence of Islam - mattered far more for economic success.
"If one is concerned about economic performance in predominantly Muslim regions or countries, conventional economic analysis may yield greater insight than the sociology of religion," the study says.
Mr Noland said his results aroused suspicion, bordering on disbelief, among colleagues when he first produced them.
The study, started just after the September 11 attacks on the US, "had a very long gestation because of that", he said.
The view that particular religious affiliations affect growth has been a fertile ground for sociologists since the pioneering work of Max Weber, the German sociologist.
Some sociologists have argued that the tendency of Islamic education to rely on reiteration of a finite set of information, together with the disapproval of lending money at interest, has restricted innovation and growth in Muslim count-ries.
In contrast to the highly successful Islamic civilisations around the turn of the first millennium, the fact that Muslims are relatively poor in the modern world has reawakened interest in the links between Islam and economic success. |
Report can be found here:
http://www.iie.com/publications/wp/2003/03-8.pdf
Edit: The study actually says that Islam promotes Growth!
Last edited by Tripledoc on 09-12-2003 at 11:40
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VJ
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Saddam was also supporting and training al Qa'ida. |
Exactly what I ment. Hopeless.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Originally posted by Ned
Saddam was also supporting and training al Qa'ida. |
Even Bush doesnot claim that anymore, do you know that our own government support and train al Qa'ida in the past to fight the Soviet in Afghanistan in the 1980's.
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Ned
Doesn't Islam preach, as once did the Catholic religion, that "interest" on loans was sinful? |
I think so. However as far as I know the Muslim business culture functions in the following way. When a person sets up a business he is given an interest free loan. However, the loangiver sets a rate of what percentage of the surplus from the company he will get. So a 'good' businessman were a surplus is assured will get a more inexpensive loan as he does not have to hand over such a big share to his loangiver, while a 'bad' businessman will have to hand over a larger share, since a surplus perhaps is not so assured.
I could be wrong.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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The leader of Iraq wasnot consider by all muslum than good muslum an than follower of Islam. Did you know that Hilter was than Roman Cath, so does that mean all Roman Cath support Hilter death camp. Or Hilter murdering 12 million people in his death camp. Than the Pope didnot support Hilter at all. He oppose Hilter in quiet way. The Pope Swiss Guard which are well train Swiss solider where not capable of
fighting than full Germany Divison. When the SS was waiting for Hilter approval to go inside the Vatican in divison strenght
with heavy artillery than air support. The Pope Swiss Guard was ready to defence Vatican City with their life an they where deloy in a defencely manner. The Pope use than other
methord to protect Vatican City. The leader of Spain owe the Pope afew favor for the Pope help in the past, the leader of Spain called up Hilter than told him in no certain term that it Hilter approve of the SS action that Spain will change it stature from netural nation that allow certain forgeine material that Germany needed to reach Germany thought Spanish ports to joining the Allies against Germany. Hilter didnot give his approval.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:32
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Originally posted by Tripledoc
I think so. However as far as I know the Muslim business culture functions in the following way. When a person sets up a business he is given an interest free loan. However, the loangiver sets a rate of what percentage of the surplus from the company he will get. So a 'good' businessman were a surplus is assured will get a more inexpensive loan as he does not have to hand over such a big share to his loangiver, while a 'bad' businessman will have to hand over a larger share, since a surplus perhaps is not so assured.
I could be wrong. |
Certain bussienes that service the public good like hostipal get total free loan with no return ecpect, in fact it can be consider paying the payment due every year by wealth Muslum to support the poor of the area, the tax is 2.5 % of your yearly income pass than certain amount, Islam doesnot force to to pay it but it you die Alia will have alot to say to you about this as it is one of the pillar of the faith.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:32
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Seems to me a model based on Japan would also work. Question would have to be how well Afghanistan and Iraq will adapt, or whether they will adapt similarly to Japan.
Actually, scratch that. Japan emulated the ways of the West well before the second world war, after the Meiji restoration.
The only problem with letting them take charge of their own affairs is the timing. Nixon left too soon in Vietnam, and watched the entire work done before then fall away. |
Nixon have to leave Vietman when he did, the war was unpopular in America, our mitilary was haveing major mortal problem and than huge drug problem with our man in Vietnam at that time, plus Watergate hearing was undermine ing Nixon at home.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Charles, I think you missed my point or perhaps you are not even aware of what I was talking about. Did you know that the Roman Empire persecuted Christians for nearly 300 years? |
First the Roman Empire persecuted of the Christian was on and off than not than constant. Plus the Roman actical believe the early Christian was drinking human blood and eating human meat the two thing that the Roman Republic and Empire didnot tolate in any religion at all. The Christian when they became the major force in the Roman Empire where worst than the pagan, the Christian of one sect persecuted the christian's of other sect's.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Originally posted by Ned
Charles, everything you said about Nixon and Vietnam was quite true, but the the last part about Watergate was not true. Watergate was not really a big issue until mid '73, well after the peace treaty was signed. |
Watergate gave the Sec. of State the opening he needed to get Nixon to sign the peace treaty. We where allow to go back in Vietman if the North Vietman broke the agreement with congress approval. When Ford took over the President post the Vietcong and North Vietman broke the treaty, Watergate so enrage Congress against the Execute branck that Congress didnot grant approval for sent our troop back.
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06-12-2003 03:05
And in fact there is academic documentation for it as well.
Too bad that the facts ( the data on economic growth, in the arab world for example) show otherwise.
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