06-12-2003 05:20									#91
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quote: Anyone else reminded of http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/nosissy.html?

If one were to consider the deaths of all declared Christians to count in the total, consider the 1st World War. How many combatants would have been Christians? Probably close to 90%. How many millions is that right there?

So clearly, the numbers are not recording the total numbers of Christians killed even in violent conflicts.

So why don't you and Che both give me your definition of what qualifies a person to be a martyr for their faith.

	06-12-2003 05:21									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX no, is it about something like that? maybe i should find it.

Read it and find out

It's the first book in a quite good (IMHO) fantasy trilogy.

	06-12-2003 11:06									#93
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Monk, no offense, but when I can demonstrate to you, using the text of the Bible, that you are wrong, holding that view becomes silly - it smacks of "Na-na-na-na I can't HEEEAAAR you!"

Oh, none taken. We're simply speaking different languages. That's why we misunderstand each other. When we do speak the same language, everything will be crystal clear.

That's why I retired from the debate circuit. I realized it was quite silly of me to try to argue with someone in English who only spoke Portugese. But it was fun though, I have no regrets.

	06-12-2003 11:42									#94
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I've seen several posts discussing Soviet Union -- how many times does Che and other Apolyton commies have to explain that the Soviet Union's government is not what they advocate for today's countries??

	06-12-2003 17:24									#95
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Read it and find out It's the first book in a quite good (IMHO) fantasy trilogy.

Eh. I beg to differ. Preachy and narrow-minded to the extreme. Also, Amber Spyglass was the third book in the series. Golden Compass was the first, then Subtle Knife. I even remember books I hated.

Just had to editorialize. Anyway, the phenomenon of "new martyrdom" is very real. You could argue that they were not technically killed for being Christian, but only because the Party tolerated any religion so long as it wasn't practiced to an extent that threatened the utter supremacy of the state over all authorities. Lip-service Christianity is Commie-friendly, but is that really Christianity at all?

And GePap, selective bastardization of two ideologies into a single mass does not strictly mean those ideologies are compatible. I'm being a real ***** to say this, I know, but didn't Hitler idolize Nietzsche? "Nietzsche's a Nazi! Nietzsche's a Nazi!"

	06-12-2003 19:53									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Che: Lets flip this point. Supposing there are no conflicts between Christianity and Communism, can you prove to me that the Former Soviet Union had true religious freedom? If not, why not?

That's irrelevent. One can outlaw religion without killing people. I won't argue Christians weren't persecuted, because they were, but slaughtered for their religion? The only place that's happening is in places like Sudan and Indonesia.

	06-12-2003 20:04									#97
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I've seen several posts discussing Soviet Union -- how many times does Che and other Apolyton commies have to explain that the Soviet Union's government is not what they advocate for today's countries??

Don't speak for me.

	06-12-2003 20:07									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Is Solzhenitsyn a liar?

He's a raving right-wing anti-Semite. I think that puts him in the liar catagory.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned I lived for several years in a monstary. Life there is very much the same a communist describe as their ideal system. I can tell you that such a life is very pleasant, but ultimately sterile.

Really? That's what I tell Chinese people when they see me use chopsticks and ask how I learned to use them. You see, I spent five years at a monestary in Tibet to learn to use chopstick, with my left hand, nonetheless. The first three years were spent meditating on chopsticks. Then for two years, I could use just one.

	06-12-2003 23:00									#100
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Don't speak for me.

I wasn't -- I was standing up for you. I remember in the past, that you stated there is a difference between what the Soviet government was, and what contemporary communists advocate.



that's all

	07-12-2003 07:43									#101
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I killed a thread!!!!!!

	08-12-2003 08:22									#102
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quote: He's a raving right-wing anti-Semite.

Well, if he's right of you, that makes him very moderate.

And everyone's an anti-semite nowadays.

	08-12-2003 14:40									#103
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I've seen several posts discussing Soviet Union -- how many times does Che and other Apolyton commies have to explain that the Soviet Union's government is not what they advocate for today's countries??

You seem to have confused an ecnomic system (communism) with a political system (e.g. former Soviet Union's government).

	08-12-2003 16:39									#104
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Yes, the two have no connection whatsoever.

	08-12-2003 18:30									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You seem to have confused an ecnomic system (communism) with a political system (e.g. former Soviet Union's government).

I see.

	08-12-2003 18:54									#106
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Really? That's what I tell Chinese people when they see me use chopsticks and ask how I learned to use them. You see, I spent five years at a monestary in Tibet to learn to use chopstick, with my left hand, nonetheless. The first three years were spent meditating on chopsticks. Then for two years, I could use just one.

I wouldn't be surprised if Buddist and Catholic monestaries are substantially similar, except that one uses a fork.

It is really interesting that people can actually live in communes today (and for the last 2000 years at least) if one is at all religious. At times I think that communism was created simply to extend the concept and practice to the non religious.