04-12-2003 11:18									#1
	christianity and communism are fundamentally opposed. Support Apolyton

I know, this is random, but i was thinking (surprising as it may be) that Christianity and Communism are inherently at odds.

I think it is probably safe to say that the foundation of christian virtues is in the 10 commandments.

one of the commandments is "Thou shalt not steal"

Of course, without property, there can be no theft, and in communism, there is no property.

So, hypothetically speaking of course, let's assume there is a God, and God is as described in the Christian tradition. If there is God, and he is enduring, he would want his doctrine to be enduring, and transcendant of time and social change. If this is true, and God is all knowing, the it follows that Communism is practically impossible, now and in the future, otherwise the commandment would not be worded as it is.

sorry to ramble, i'll run away now...

	04-12-2003 11:19									#2
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Unless property is theft.

	04-12-2003 11:20									#3
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Who did you steal your computer and clothes from?

	04-12-2003 11:21									#4
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Isn't it bad enough that I gave Che a hard time with my own similar thread a couple of months ago?

	04-12-2003 11:21									#5
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ya lost me dino...

	04-12-2003 11:22									#6
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damn, fun and i are starting to make similar posts? i'm going to go find a very tall building to jump off of...

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quote: one of the commandments is "Thou shalt not steal" Of course, without property, there can be no theft, and in communism, there is no property.

But there is property under communism, it was just stolen.

	04-12-2003 11:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak ya lost me dino...

Probably because I was responding to Ramo's comment.

	04-12-2003 11:25									#9
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If property is theft, then theft is property, and if I steal something it is mine

	04-12-2003 11:26									#10
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when i was refering to communism, i was refering to true communism, not the poor attempts at it reflected in the "real world"

	04-12-2003 11:28									#11
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quote: Who did you steal your computer and clothes from?

The workers of Dell (how apropos Kaak is here ). As they ought to own the means of production, Micheal Dell is using state power to enforce appropriation of the computers from his employees, and I thus bought unjustly confiscated goods. The same goes with my clothes as my wardrobe almost entirely consists of Dell propaganda.

	04-12-2003 11:29									#12
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quote: Micheal Dell is using state power to enforce appropriation of the computers from his employees

Those employees agreed to make the computers and give them to Dell.

	04-12-2003 11:32									#13
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Only because the employees of Dell were forced to do so (or for a similar capitalist organization).

	04-12-2003 11:35									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak damn, fun and i are starting to make similar posts? i'm going to go find a very tall building to jump off of...

I've always felt that libertarians and commies are cra . . .

er, different.




Anyway, when I created that thread, it got Che's panties all bunched up -- it was only similar, in that I was poking fun at the communist pipe dream.

	04-12-2003 11:37									#15
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Actually, your trolls are totally lame, MrFun. If you want to see how it's done, observe.

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OOooo...i thought you had had the same epiphany

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Actually, your trolls are totally lame, MrFun. If you want to see how it's done, observe.

So he'll know what NOT to do

	04-12-2003 11:38									#18
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Yet, I got Dino and Berzerker baited within minutes.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo (how apropos Kaak is here ).

You hear that Kaak? I say you should start repossessing the stuff he took from you now.

	04-12-2003 11:39									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Actually, your trolls are totally lame, MrFun. If you want to see how it's done, observe.

Thanks, but no thanks -- your advice is worthless.

	04-12-2003 11:43									#21
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quote: Yet, I got Dino and Berzerker baited within minutes.

Yikes, I thought I was baiting you...I did...I did see a pooty cat...

	04-12-2003 11:44									#22
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Ouch, that hurt. I'll have to go cry in a corner now. Meanie.

quote: You hear that Kaak? I say you should start repossessing the stuff he took from you now.

I suppose he can try, I'm not sure he'll be very successful.

	04-12-2003 11:45									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Ouch, that hurt. I'll have to go cry in a corner now. Meanie. I suppose he can try, I'm not sure he'll be very successful.

Me? A meanie -- you mean like if I called your posting tactics "totally lame?"

	04-12-2003 11:46									#24
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Actually, communism is the only philosophy that is compatible with christianity. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and that whole bit.

	04-12-2003 11:49									#25
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Hmm...I don't want my neighbor stealing my stuff.

	04-12-2003 11:51									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Hmm...I don't want my neighbor stealing my stuff.

Who said anything about stealing?

	04-12-2003 11:51									#27
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quote: Yikes, I thought I was baiting you...I did...I did see a pooty cat...

Just entertaining myself (should be working on an algebra final, but I'm racking my brain and can't get anywhere). Someone has to play che while he isn't here.

	04-12-2003 12:14									#28
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quote: Who said anything about stealing?

Umm...I did...

	04-12-2003 12:21									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I suppose he can try, I'm not sure he'll be very successful.

Why not? You already came clean about the theft.

PS For monkspider: Common Ground Between the Philosophies of Christianity and Libertarianism

	04-12-2003 12:25									#30
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But I have law and order on my side.