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I am talking about the United States. If this were Palestine, then hard-religious homophobia would be much worse. But here secular homophobia would be responsible for most hate crimes.


I meant United States too -- and I still believe that in this country, hard-religious homophobia is more dangerous.

After all, we had so-called "Christian" leaders who justified Shepherd's murder -- blaming the victim simply because he was a queer cruising a bar.

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The Cure for Homophobia:

Take homophobe and transplant them to the SF Bay Area, or any major metropolitan in CA... For extreme cases, put them in The Castro District (SF) or Hollywood.


How about something better for punishment? Tie them down in front of a television, and force them to watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, Will & Grace, and Queer as Folk for days on end, non-stop.



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When I got out of HS I was homophobic, but then in College I had several friends come out of the closet... I was disturbed at first, and then realized that they were no different. I have since made friends with ppl I like and don't care much for their sexual preferences. Some of this has to do with my detattchment from religious establishments, as well as the liberal influences obtained through higher education and being in California my whole life, a state which is more accepting of alternative lifestyles.

Thus, religion, education, and society all have a play on whether someone is homophobic or not.


Wow, it sounds like you made a real change after entering college. Glad to see you renounce your hatred.

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Glad to see you renounce your hatred.


Not hatred, why do you think homophobia means hatred? It means fear, I didn't hate them, I just didn't want to be around them.

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That's harsh! I know gay ppl who would die if that happened to them!

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Nice misquote Cali

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It means fear, I didn't hate them, I just didn't want to be around them.


Yeah, kinda

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...and force them to watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, Will & Grace, and Queer as Folk for days on end, non-stop.

I don't know the two other shows, but Will & Grace has been designed in a way that homophobes won't be bothered at all. There's no physical intimacy between the gays in the show at all because the harmlessness is necessary for non-gay wievers. Please don't regard Will & Grace as a breakthrough before we see some passionate kissing on the show.

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You're utterly, completely, hopelessly, morbidly, doubtlessly, DISGUSTING.




Which is why I'm so proud of you.

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Hey Mr.Fun did you ever get my PM?


I got your PM about your Yahoo username -- I will get around to putting it on my Yahoo Messenger.

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...and force them to watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, Will & Grace, and Queer as Folk for days on end, non-stop.

I don't know the two other shows, but Will & Grace has been designed in a way that homophobes won't be bothered at all. There's no physical intimacy between the gays in the show at all because the harmlessness is necessary for non-gay wievers. Please don't regard Will & Grace as a breakthrough before we see some passionate kissing on the show.


There were episodes where Will or Jack had a date, and there was one episode where Will and Jack locked lips as a form of protest.

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Now, by homophobia, are we using this correctly to mean someone who actually has a phobia, or fear, of homosexuals? Or are we equating homophobe to someone who simply hates homosexuals?

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If you fear something, doesn't that also require you to hate whatever/whoever you fear??

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There were episodes where Will or Jack had a date, and there was one episode where Will and Jack locked lips as a form of protest.

The very fact that you have to mention a few out of a million episodes backs my point. Will and Jack locked to protest, sure, but it wasn't even remotely anything emotional. Please admit that ACTUAL intimacy - as in the close-up intense kissing that's normal in hetero relations on film - doesn't take place between gay men in Will & Grace.

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If you fear something, doesn't that also require you to hate whatever/whoever you fear??


No. I fear being eaten by a preditor. That doesn't mean I hate them . . . though I might hate the one that is eating me, should that unfortunate event ever come to pas.

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Nope, I may fear the night without hating it.

Homophobia is a mis-leading/illogical term, people can hate or dislike homosexuals without fearing them... Now, if you want to delve into the psyche of people who dislike homosexuals, there may be some kind of "fear" but it appears most people disapprove of homosexuality based on religious grounds. But that raises questions about their intelligence, why on Earth would anyone just accept as prrof what someone else wrote a few thousand years ago about homosexuality? Well, "God" said so... Perhaps, or maybe some guy who didn't like homosexuals said that and tried to pass off his biases onto "God"... I'd like to see actual proof...

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Now, by homophobia, are we using this correctly to mean someone who actually has a phobia, or fear, of homosexuals? Or are we equating homophobe to someone who simply hates homosexuals?


Homophobia means hatred of homosexuals. Don't follow the litteral roots. The misnomer comes from the often prevelant use of fear tactics to justify oppression.

Anti-semisitm isn't about fear of Jews, and yet oppression of Jews is frequently couched in getting them before they get us, ie., they need Christian blood for Pasach pastries, they're poisoning the wells, they control the world's money, ZOG, they stabbed Germany in the back, etc. Evil always tries to pull a sheepskin over itself, and so with homophobia, the sheepskin was mistaken as the real thing.

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Homophobia means hatred of homosexuals.


Then I guess I have been using the term wrong, I assume homophobia is fear, since it uses the suffix "phobia"... Repulsion would be ahomophopic, hatred would be, uh?, Gay-basher... like more over religious zealots of in-laws... I have never hated gays, I was just repulsed by them because I never knew one. Then when I finally realized that I did, I realized that we are just a like... I still find acts of homosexuality repulsive (in the same way I think ppl who eat KimChi are nasty - so a whole country), but that says nothing about the people...

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like more over religious zealots of in-laws


Well, that made no sense.

"like MY over religious, zealot of in-laws"

nope, I can't make sense of it. Pretty my much my in-laws "hate" gays because their religion tells them to, and they will obey the preachings of their pastor regaurdless of what he tells him - he's a nice guy apart from that.

[hush]I wonder how my in-laws would feel if they find out that my sister-in-law (their son's wife) had been a lezbian for about 10 years prior to hooking up with their son, I parry the thought[/hush]

gotta love family secrets.

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Well, chegitz, I also find it amusing when a Jew accuses someone of Arab desent of being anti-semitic. While you're right homophobia and anti-semitism are used to mean hatred of Homosexuals and Jews, the terms are still being used illogically.




Don't give in to the illogic, resist the irrational, his mind is not for rent to any god or government...

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We use the word as it's defined and we're langauge Nazis.

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No. I fear being eaten by a preditor. That doesn't mean I hate them . . . though I might hate the one that is eating me, should that unfortunate event ever come to pas.


You're right -- I mean, I have respect for lions, and certainly want them protected from extinction.


But you damn well better NEVER, EVER put me in a cage with one!

 
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