15-12-2003 23:48									#61
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Well if thats the case, then you'd be correct at France being about at fertility or slightly above. But I haven't seen those numbers.

	16-12-2003 00:13									#62
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stop talking fertility. it's panzers where it's at.

	16-12-2003 00:47									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Brief summary of Polish history: 1772 - partitioned by Prussia, Austria and Russia 1793 - partitioned by Prussia and Russia 1795 - partitioned by Prussia, Austria and Russia 1939 - partitioned by Germany and the Soviet Union 2003 - May - attacked Iraq - December - destroyed Europe Brief summary of Spanish history: 16th+17th century - killed many Germanic Europeans 2003 - May - attacked Iraq - December - destroyed Europe

btw, this wouldn't be the first time Europe is destroyed..

	16-12-2003 00:48									#64
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Finally some appreciation.

	16-12-2003 01:14									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph This will be a great day for the Austrian navy.

quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Good idea that. I heard recently, that Poland hides WoMDs. I found evidence in form of chemical and biological residue in my Polish christmas goose. We immediately should send two million inspectors. With tanks.

Ah, yes. That's the germanic philosophy Americans love and immitate. Embrace the your heritage Sir Ralph, come back to the Dark Side..............

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 well whats the infant mortality of france?

Pretty high, apparently a lot of newborns commit suicide when they discover they were born French...........

quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue The more France and Germany complain, the more smug I feel.

That's kind of the way I feel about the EU. Course from this thread it almost looks like Europeans hate Europeans almost as much as they hate Americans.

There's a lot of love in this thread. It doesn't seem to be eminating from any of the posters in it though............

	16-12-2003 01:17									#66
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damn that French newborn one was harsh...

	16-12-2003 01:19									#67
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What does this mean?

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	16-12-2003 01:22									#68
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it doesn't make sense I'm afraid...

	16-12-2003 01:23									#69
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Spain and Poland will be welcome to NAFTA, Im sure.

	16-12-2003 01:24									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion damn that French newborn one was harsh...

Yeah it was pretty bad, wasn't it. They'll be cryin themselves to sleep on their big pillows tonight........

I don't really dislike Frenchies, its just so easy to pick at them and all...........

	16-12-2003 03:18									#71
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yeah it was pretty bad, wasn't it. They'll be cryin themselves to sleep on their big pillows tonight........ I don't really dislike Frenchies, its just so easy to pick at them and all...........

Ghengis is a man of style. His style is oriented toward anti-French bad jokes, but this one is not the worse he ever commited; quite original, for once, and containing a kind of recognition of the analytical abilities of the French in general, and the French newborns in particular.

	16-12-2003 03:22									#72
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT and containing a kind of recognition of the analytical abilities of the French in general, and the French newborns in particular.

Crud, it did sorta lend it self to that didn't it.

I guess I'm out of practice.

	16-12-2003 03:24									#73
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Well just wait for france and germany to fix their economies... then they can start giving orders to others...

That won't happen for a LLLOOOOOOONNNNGGGGGGG time.

Or they might liberalize their over regulated economies but I doubt it. Still, it's unfair to have a Luxumburger have 200 times the vote of a German.

	16-12-2003 03:25									#74
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Don't worry, it's appreciated. It just lacked a bit of... south.

	16-12-2003 03:30									#75
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	16-12-2003 03:32									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Or they might liberalize their over regulated economies but I doubt it.

To reduce France's and Germany's stagnation to this is an impressive oversimplification

	16-12-2003 04:44									#77
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Y'all need a split legislature, like ours.

That would require some common goal. As I listen to the Euros here I see no common goal.

	16-12-2003 04:55									#78
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As Comrade pointed out, France and Germany spend a lot of time being just like the US when it comes to wanting to make sure they get what they want. I dont think any of those small countries can go into the EU lightly, but I think they may not have that much of a choice over the long run. So if Poland and Spain can get more than I say good for them..

	16-12-2003 05:52									#79
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cool avatar sprayber

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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Good idea that. I heard recently, that Poland hides WoMDs. I found evidence in form of chemical and biological residue in my Polish christmas goose. We immediately should send two million inspectors. With tanks.

*points at avatar*

	16-12-2003 06:00									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman France has the highest birth rate of any EU member. Their population is growing.

To bad most of the population growth is coming from Arabs and not Frenchmen.

	16-12-2003 06:07									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor To reduce France's and Germany's stagnation to this is an impressive oversimplification

Sure, there are lots of other factors but this is the single biggest influence upon their continueing stagnation. Over regulation of just about every area of their economies has strangled growth, discouraged job creation, and chased off investment.

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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman cool avatar sprayber

Thanks.

	16-12-2003 06:38									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Sure, there are lots of other factors but this is the single biggest influence upon their continueing stagnation. Over regulation of just about every area of their economies has strangled growth, discouraged job creation, and chased off investment.

I can't tell for Germany, but for France...
In 2002, foreign investment has fallen of 10% in France. Horror. The government goes amok about France's decay, and how it is the 35 hours week and the regulation's fault.

As a matter of fact, the decline of foreign investment in France has mostly to do with a poor international conjuncture (how do you write it anyways?). It happens that foreign investment has reduced by 30% on the whole Euro-Zone
So, we're more competitve than our European neighbours, and we even end up taking foreign investment from the pretended invoestor paradise that is Britain. How come? Simply because our public services offer cheap and good externalities. Charles De Gaulle airport is becoming the major hub of continental western Europe, having completely sucked traffic from Brussels and taking significant traffic from Schipol NL. Our trains are fast and reliable, as are our power grid, telephone network, and we've finally massified ADSL.

Maybe you think this info was given by some leftist interest group, wary of the government's free-market program. Nope, it was given by the official commission, whose leader is the wife of a minister.

Sure, France is still no Foreign Investment Paradise (otherwise our FI wouldn't have decreased at all), but it is a misconception to believe we scare the investors away.

	16-12-2003 06:38									#85
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There'll be a lot more frenchies born than any other europeans. so be nice to them, they'll be your negotiators

	16-12-2003 06:42									#86
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quote: In 2002, foreign investment has fallen of 10% in France. Horror.

What economists are saying is that France's foreign investment rate is depressed because of the massive over regulation. Thus the 10% reduction is a reduction of an already depressed rate.

Sure, other countries are worse off then France but that doesn't change that France's economy has been underperforming for a long time now.

	16-12-2003 07:04									#87
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 There'll be a lot more frenchies born than any other europeans. so be nice to them, they'll be your negotiators

That's the spirit!
Napoleon couldn't conquer Europe, we'll do it by sending our spawn everywhere and own j00 in the end

The Germans believed they would at last have their Reich spanning over Europe. Fools

	16-12-2003 08:38									#88
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Nah, everyone knows Macedonia has to make a comeback sometime

	16-12-2003 14:27									#89
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Good old Poland-bashing. Sometimes really intellectual,
like a Belgian (or a guy bearing a Belgian flag at least)
comments on prostitucy of Polish women, while the wife of his kronprintz is halfly Polish.

Look; Poland and other new members of EU got bad conditions of accession. For several years, they're be members of second cathegory. Accessing EU isn't beneficial for Poland or any other middleeuropean state
as much as for old EU members for various reasons. The only good thing in the deal was the number of representatives in the parliament. Why should we resign of it? Because "it is good for EU"? Who says so?
Germany, for which it is certainly good.
You think Nice's wrong? You shouldn't have settled it in the first place. Is it less democratical? Only if You treat EU as a one state, which it obviously isn't. Why should all other states fall under French-German tyranny? It'd be like giving people votes depending on their weight. SOME sort of population representation is needed, but I don't think I like the idea of Europe where Germans and French, and in future turkey, can do whatever they want no matter what the rest thinks. I may be wrong, but some Germans still haven't resigned of ww2 losses.
I don't think Poland or Czechs or whoever should help them get better position in EU just to pay for it soon afterwards.

Anyway; You signed the treaty, and it's the one is official. You don't like it - YOU can leave EU

	16-12-2003 14:38									#90
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go poland!

i like poland. i like spain too. i have some polish in me, as well as spanish, but i like poland better.