23-12-2003 10:15									#331
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He left because he never fully healed from the effects of the Morgul Blade wound, nor the effects of the Ring.

The Scouring of the Shire was left out. Let's just say, someone ends up at the Shire that wasn't supposed to be there.

	23-12-2003 10:18									#332
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Scouring is when the hobbits get back to the Shire and realize that things have gone to crap.

	23-12-2003 10:26									#333
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what is the scouring of the shire? And why did Frodo leave the Shire? I figured he did it because it was written that way

There is another view on this. He left because he was a Ringbearer. You will notice that in the appendix the Tale of Years hints that Sam may have left Middle Earth as well, because he was the last surviving ringbearer.

I guess the idea is that bearing the ring changes a person such that they are "magical". Since the whole story of Lord of the Rings is based around the idea of magic and elvishness leaving the earth, presumably he leaves for Valinor where such things are appropriate. Once a person has been "magicked up" they no longer fit into Middle Earth which has by the fourth age, become the realm of men. For example, Aragorn is the last of the Numenoreans, the Edain, the elf-friends. These were men who associated with the elves to such a degree that the magic rubbed off on them, leading to a longer life and a higher form of culture. Of course, it's doomed, because elves were never supposed to stay in Middle Earth, and those that did either failed to obey instructions or were rebels who left and were exiled.

Gimli is supposed to go as well. I'm not quite sure what that means.

	23-12-2003 10:32									#334
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I think Gimli got a special invite from Galadriel.

	23-12-2003 10:35									#335
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You know she wants some dwarf lovin' .

	23-12-2003 10:37									#336
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I think Gimli got a special invite from Galadriel.

I'd forgotten that. I can't remember where that is stated.

	23-12-2003 10:40									#337
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Well in Appendix A of LOTR, the Line of the Dwarves of Erebor, speak of Gimli leaving with Legolas, and Galadriel obtained grace from the Eldar to allow him to come along.

	23-12-2003 10:42									#338
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Nerd...

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well in Appendix A of LOTR, the Line of the Dwarves of Erebor, speak of Gimli leaving with Legolas, and Galadriel obtained grace from the Eldar to allow him to come along.

That's right. I'd forgotten. And people think that hobbits would look out of place in the fair city of Tirion.

	23-12-2003 10:46									#340
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quote: Nerd...

At least I'm correct... which is more than I can say for you .

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so what happens to the blonde chick?

	23-12-2003 10:49									#342
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Eoywn? The one that kills the Witchking?

	23-12-2003 10:51									#343
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yes

	23-12-2003 10:53									#344
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Marries Faramir and becomes the Lady of Ithilien. Moves over the river with him and lives happily ever after. Faramir and she send presents to Pippin's wedding.

	23-12-2003 10:55									#345
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Damn... he knows his **** .

	23-12-2003 10:56									#346
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quote: At least I'm correct... which is more than I can say for you.

I said the same thing as you...

	23-12-2003 10:57									#347
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Here's a couple of Tolkien questions.

Who forged Sting?

Why is Sauron's ram called "Grond"?

What relation does Elrond bear to Tar-Minyatur?

What are the three main divisions of Elvenkind?

By what name is Ereinion better known?

	23-12-2003 11:00									#348
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Here's a harder one.

Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord?

	23-12-2003 11:02									#349
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quote: I said the same thing as you...

Who says I was just talking about that one question?

	23-12-2003 11:04									#350
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quote: Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord?

Well, Isildur struck him down, but Sauron had been defeated once before when Numenor was swallowed up in the Valar's wrath after the forces of Ar-Pharazon (IIRC) landed in Valinor. So I'd go with the Valar...

I think Elendil got a crack at him before Isildur as well, but I don't remember the timeline exactly.

	23-12-2003 11:08									#351
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who else thinks that isildur should have throw the sword and cut off the whole hand?? I mean c'mon thats atleast half as cheesy as what was depicted.

	23-12-2003 11:09									#352
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quote: Who forged Sting?

The Noldor of Gondolin.

quote: Why is Sauron's ram called "Grond"?

I don't remember.

quote: What relation does Elrond bear to Tar-Minyatur?

Brothers. Tar-Minyatur was Elwing, Elrond the half-Elven's brother, IIRC. Elwing chose to become a man and became Tar-Minayatur, the first king of Numenor. Elrond chose to be an Elf, obviously.

quote: What are the three main divisions of Elvenkind?

Noldor, Teleri and Vanyar for the high elves. For elves in general, it's the high elves who went to Valinor, gray elves who went to Beleriand but didn't go to Valinor (like the elves of Doriath) and green elves like Legolas, I think.

quote: By what name is Ereinion better known?

Hell if I know...

	23-12-2003 11:16									#353
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord? Well, Isildur struck him down, but Sauron had been defeated once before when Numenor was swallowed up in the Valar's wrath after the forces of Ar-Pharazon (IIRC) landed in Valinor. So I'd go with the Valar... I think Elendil got a crack at him before Isildur as well, but I don't remember the timeline exactly.

Nope. Ar-Pharazon takes him back in bondage to Numenor before any of those things happen. Sauron admits defeat without a sword being drawn once he sees the might of Ar-Pharazon's army.

And Isildur does not strike him down AFAIK. He is slain by Gil Galad and Elendil and Isildur cuts the ring off the defeated Sauron.

It's not clear how that fight goes although only Isildur, Cirdan and Elrond stand by. Gil Galad is killed by Sauron's fiery grasp.

	23-12-2003 11:19									#354
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Who forged Sting? The Noldor of Gondolin.

Correct.

quote: quote: Why is Sauron's ram called "Grond"? I don't remember.

It's named after Morgoth's hammer.

quote: quote: What relation does Elrond bear to Tar-Minyatur? Brothers. Tar-Minyatur was Elwing, Elrond the half-Elven's brother, IIRC. Elwing chose to become a man and became Tar-Minayatur, the first king of Numenor. Elrond chose to be an Elf, obviously.

Excellent

quote: quote: What are the three main divisions of Elvenkind? Noldor, Teleri and Vanyar for the high elves. For elves in general, it's the high elves who went to Valinor, gray elves who went to Beleriand but didn't go to Valinor (like the elves of Doriath) and green elves like Legolas, I think.

Almost right, but that's my fault. I forgot the Avari (unwilling).

quote: quote: By what name is Ereinion better known? Hell if I know...

Gil Galad.

	23-12-2003 11:20									#355
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Correct. It's named after Morgoth's hammer. Excellent Almost right, but that's my fault. I forgot the Avari (unwilling). Gil Galad.

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	23-12-2003 11:21									#356
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quote: Nope. Ar-Pharazon takes him back in bondage to Numenor before any of those things happen. Sauron admits defeat without a sword being drawn once he sees the might of Ar-Pharazon's army.

Dammit. I had Ar-Pharazon written down at first, but then I remembered how Sauron corrupted him and ensured his destruction, so I changed my answer...

Still, not too bad.

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Here's some more.

What were the two main Numenorean havens in Middle Earth?

What are the two elf havens marked on the map of Middle Earth?

Name Melkor's three strongholds.

Which former resident of Nargothrond does Frodo meet in "Lord of the Rings"?

Who is "Darkmoon" better known as?

Who is Banazir Galpsi?

	23-12-2003 11:24									#358
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Actually I should take marks off, Drake.

Tar-Minyatur's given name is "Elros". Elwing was his mother. Not a big deal though.

	23-12-2003 11:28									#359
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More:

Name two unwinged dragons.

What do Dain's troops carry in the Hobbit?

Who is Annatar?

What happens to the Silmarils?

Who finds arms at Vinyamar?

	23-12-2003 11:29									#360
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Now you're just getting ridiculous. Oh well, I'll do what I can.

quote: What were the two main Numenorean havens in Middle Earth?

I'm pretty sure Umbar was one. Don't remember the other one.

quote: What are the two elf havens marked on the map of Middle Earth?

The Grey Havens. There's another one at the mouth of Anduin, but the name escapes me. Andurail or something like that, maybe?

quote: Name Melkor's three strongholds.

Thangodrim is the only one I can remember.

quote: Which former resident of Nargothrond does Frodo meet in "Lord of the Rings"?

Either Galadriel or Cirdan. I'm gonna go with Galadriel.

quote: Who is "Darkmoon" better known as?

Beren? Just a guess.

quote: Who is Banazir Galpsi?

Good lord. Maybe the dwarf Turin Turambur lived with for a while?