23-12-2003 11:34									#361
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Now you're just getting ridiculous. Oh well, I'll do what I can.

quote: quote: What were the two main Numenorean havens in Middle Earth? I'm pretty sure Umbar was one. Don't remember the other one.

The other is Lond Daer. (west of Isengard)

quote: quote: What are the two elf havens marked on the map of Middle Earth? The Grey Havens. There's another one at the mouth of Anduin, but the name escapes me. Andurail or something like that, maybe?

Actually, I don't know if Pelargir was originally an elf haven. The one I was thinking of is Edhellond, which is at the mouth of the river above Dol Amroth.

quote: quote: Name Melkor's three strongholds. Thangodrim is the only one I can remember.

Spelling. Thangorodrim, Angband and Utumno.

quote: quote: Which former resident of Nargothrond does Frodo meet in "Lord of the Rings"? Either Galadriel or Cirdan. I'm gonna go with Galadriel.

I'd forgotten about her. I was thinking of Gildor Inglorion. That's what you get for doing it off the top of your head.

quote: quote: Who is "Darkmoon" better known as? Beren? Just a guess.

Isildur - that's what his name means.

quote: quote: Who is Banazir Galpsi? Good lord. Maybe the dwarf Turin Turambur lived with for a while?

Sam Gamgee. Check out the translation appendix. It turns out that Frodo's Westron name is "Froda" and Merrys is "Kalimac Brandagumba".

PS. I can't remember the name of the dwarf. He was a petty-dwarf, was he not?

	23-12-2003 11:39									#362
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quote: He was a petty-dwarf, was he not?

Yes.

I can't believe I forgot Angband, BTW.

	23-12-2003 11:43									#363
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quote: What happens to the Silmarils?

Well, one is on Earendil's brow as he sails the heavens. I think the other two are under the sea or something.

quote: Name two unwinged dragons.

I should really know the name of the one Turin Turambur slew, but I don't.

quote: Who finds arms at Vinyamar?

The Noldor? Is that where they killed some Teleri before sailing to Middle-Earth?

I have no idea on the other two...

	23-12-2003 11:44									#364
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What about the other questions (on the previous page)?

	23-12-2003 11:45									#365
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you guys suck. Why do i need to read the books. just tell me what happens

	23-12-2003 11:45									#366
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quote: What about the other questions (on the previous page)?

See above.

Sorry, I was busy talking to a friend.

	23-12-2003 11:46									#367
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon More: Name two unwinged dragons.

Glaurung and Scatha the Worm

quote: What do Dain's troops carry in the Hobbit?

Mattocks.

quote: Who is Annatar?

Sauron. It's his guise when he approaches Celebrimbor about ring making. Galadriel can see through the guise and does not trust him.

quote: What happens to the Silmarils?

The surviving sons of Feanor take them, but can't hold on to them. One casts himself into a fiery chasm, the other throws his into the see. You were right about the third one.

quote: Who finds arms at Vinyamar?

Tuor.

	23-12-2003 11:48									#368
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber you guys suck. Why do i need to read the books. just tell me what happens

A small creature with hairy feet takes a piece of antique jewellery and throws it into a volcano.

	23-12-2003 11:49									#369
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The Noldor? Is that where they killed some Teleri before sailing to Middle-Earth?

That's at Alqualonde (sp.) which is not in Middle Earth.

	23-12-2003 11:49									#370
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quote: One casts himself into a fiery chasm, the other throws his into the see. You were right about the third one.

I was right about the second one, too.

Sort of...

quote: Glaurung

That's it.

quote: That's at Alqualonde (sp.) which is not in Middle Earth.

I know it's in Valinor, not Middle Earth. Just couldn't remember the name.

	23-12-2003 11:50									#371
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon A small creature with hairy feet takes a piece of antique jewellery and throws it into a volcano.

To think they are gonna make a lot of money of that simple line

	23-12-2003 11:51									#372
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Anyway, you qualify as someone who knows a lot about Tolkien. Those were pretty hard questions.

:applauds:

	23-12-2003 11:52									#373
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Thank you. Not bad for someone who's only read LOTR and the Silmarillion twice.

	23-12-2003 11:52									#374
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber To think they are gonna make a lot of money of that simple line

Glad to see you safe and well, Sprayber. You did go to Iraq, didn't you? Or are you yet to venture forth?

	23-12-2003 11:53									#375
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Thank you. Not bad for someone who's only read LOTR and the Silmarillion twice.

Excellent in that case. Some of the questions were from Lost Tales and Unfinished Tales, so you can't be faulted for those.

	23-12-2003 11:55									#376
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quote: Some of the questions were from Lost Tales and Unfinished Tales, so you can't be faulted for those.

I have both of those, but I haven't read them all the way through. I think I read all the stuff about Turin Turambur, though; I like that story.

	23-12-2003 11:58									#377
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Some of the questions were from Lost Tales and Unfinished Tales, so you can't be faulted for those. I have both of those, but I haven't read them all the way through. I think I read all the stuff about Turin Turambur, though; I like that story.

Yeah, they are good and that is one of the best stories. My favourite is "The Fall of Gondolin". One day I will read the rest of the History of Middle Earth Series. But I don't have the time right now.

Poor old Turin....

Anyway, I'm orf to bed. Goodnight.

	23-12-2003 12:00									#378
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quote: My favourite is "The Fall of Gondolin".

That's a good one as well.

	23-12-2003 12:27									#379
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One more thing.

ROTK won't win the Oscar for two reasons.

1. It's a cut down version of the real film, which will be the extended edition. The Two Towers EE was so much better than the cinema cut and made a lot more sense. The FOTR EE was less so, but still better than the movie cut. Most of your complaints about the directing will be assuaged in the EE.

2. The whole trilogy is a big "up yours" to Hollywood. Imagine, a New Zealander (where's that by the way?) takes a stack of money from a Hollywood studio and says, "I'm going home to make the movies, leave me the **** alone."

He then chooses fine actors who aren't really big stars and many of whom are not recognizable in the US (Bernard Hill is a good example, if you haven't seen his early work, do so).

He then uses his own effects company which ends up simply blowing the **** out of anything done by Hollywood (during ROTK I basically forgot that Gollum was CGI) - even though some effects are better than others. The CGI battle scenes are a revolution in cinema.

And he manages to make a film out of a book which was widely regarded as unfilmable.

It's a big middle finger to the Hollywood system and it shows that all they're good for is financing.

There's no way this upstart will win any of the big awards.

	23-12-2003 18:35									#380
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Was someone just calling someone else a nerd a page back .

	23-12-2003 18:38									#381
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I'm not a nerd; I'm just well read...

Yeah, that'll fool 'em...

	23-12-2003 18:45									#382
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Yeah, but Hollywood always bows to the dollars, and they love epics and costume dramas.

I think there will be one major award (movie, director)and several "minor"/technical awards (makeup, costume, FX, sort of thing).

Nothing succeeds like success.

	23-12-2003 19:28									#383
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Favorite continuity errors --

1. "Frodo, we have to get you something to wear." Sam and (shirtless) Frodo don oversized orc armor. A short time later, the orc gear is gone and -- ta daa -- Frodo's back in his shirt for the climactic finale.[quote]

In the books they discard the armor once they realize that no one else is around. Sam also gives Frodo his cloak.

quote: 2. The army of men (6,000 iirc) rides horses from Minas Tirith to the final "if we can just distract them Frodo will have a chance" battle at the black gates. The enemy is called out, and surrounds them in great number. But when the battle is joined -- I swear this is true, but I want to go back and check -- The army of men is on foot! ALL 6,000 HORSES ARE GONE!!! (Oh, that skampish Gandalf... )

Supposedly they put themselves in a defensive position on a hill. Horses wouldn't be too useful...

	23-12-2003 19:40									#384
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Wow. I was skimming Unfinished Tales & the appendicies of LotR last night, and I wouldn't have done as well as Drake did.

I would have gotten Utummo and Angband, though. Though not Thangorodim (sp).

Here's one I have trouble remembering (and only do now because I read it last night): what is the name of the 2nd strongest Nazgul, the one who runs Dol Goldur for Sauron?

-Arrian

	23-12-2003 21:01									#385
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The Necromancer ran Dol Goldur, at least in the Hobbit.

By the way, speaking of Dol Goldur, can anyone tell me what happened to it?

	23-12-2003 21:04									#386
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The "Necromancer" was Sauron, though...

	23-12-2003 21:11									#387
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd By the way, speaking of Dol Goldur, can anyone tell me what happened to it?

After the Ring was destroyed a force of orcs was repelled at Lothlorien. Celeborn and Galadriel crossed the Anduin and assaulted Dol Gol-Dur, with Galadriel throwing open the gates and laying the pits bare. In the appendixes.

And I thought The Witch-King ran Dol Gol-Dur in Sauron's absence?

	23-12-2003 21:19									#388
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No. It was Kamul (or is it Kamil). The Witchking ran Minas Morgul. Kamul ran Dol Goldur (after Sauron left there and re-entered Mordor), and had 1 other Nazgul there with him as a messenger.

-Arrian

	23-12-2003 21:21									#389
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Hmm, appears to be Khamul. I have a hard time keeping track of the proper spelling...

-Arrian

	23-12-2003 21:27									#390
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I know the Witch-King ran Minas Morgu, but I thought there was also a time when he ran Dol Gol-Dur.