19-12-2003 14:02									#211
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damn work. I'll have to wait a few more days before I can see this movie.

	19-12-2003 18:07									#212
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The "entreact" is simply "intermission" in English. I don't think any American theaters have an intermission for ROTK.

Well, the IMAX version might, considering that theres a 2hr limit on reels.

	19-12-2003 19:55									#213
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Took the day off from work (from a new job, no less) to see it, and it was well worth the wait (and I'm certain the Extended Edition DVD will also be well worth the wait). A few criticisms - some parts felt dragged out, others felt rushed or not fleshed out sufficiently, but since I consider the EE DVDs to be the definitive version (Jackson's opinions notwithstanding), I'm sure any flow/characterization issues will be smoothed out with their release.

I also regret not seeing Saruman's fate (will be in the EE) or the Scouring of the Shire (one of my fave parts of the books), but I understand Jackson's reasons behind each decision. He did a more than admirable job with a daunting challenge, and I'm a much happier person for having the privelege of seeing his vision brought to the screen.

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Two moments that brought a lump to my throat:

1) The gathering of the Rohirrim on the edge of Pellenor Field, Theoden's speech, and the charge...

2) Pippin singing that mournful Shire song to Denethor as the Steward stuffs his face, intercut with Faramir and the Gondorians riding to retake Osgiliath... so beautiful and sad I almost wept.

Wonderful, spectacular, superb... hyperbole fails miserably to express my joy. Go see this film.

	19-12-2003 20:08									#214
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera 2) Pippin singing that mournful Shire song to Denethor as the Steward stuffs his face, intercut with Faramir and the Gondorians riding to retake Osgiliath... so beautiful and sad I almost wept.

AGREED!!!...it was the best emotional sequence in the movie - and next to the fall of Gandalf in Moria, the best from all three of the movies.

Best understated visual
The lighting of all the watchtowers. Beautiful cinematography...

	19-12-2003 20:11									#215
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It is indeed superb.

A contender with few others for the finest film ever made, I should say.

I do not think I have ever gone straight back to see a film a second time when it first appears. But I certainly will with this one.

I have no fault to find with it. And several things - the young actor's performance as Frodo among them - are at the topmost peak of excellence.

In the book the characters are always subservient to the plot - not quite two dimentional but close to it. Not so in the film. No one could fail to be moved by Theoden's death and by the parting of Sam and Frodo.

I am full of admiration for the director and for the skills of those involved in wardrobe, casting, location and so on.

They must be proud indeed of what they have made.

	19-12-2003 20:25									#216
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian the fall of Gandalf in Moria

That's indeed a great emotional moment that isn't overly sentimental...

Carolus

	19-12-2003 20:31									#217
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Heh, heh! Well, seems the thought never crossed your mind that I could be female? Still, GhengisFarb's comment isn't exactly reassuring, is it? Carolus

R you a female?

quote: Two moments that brought a lump to my throat: 1) The gathering of the Rohirrim on the edge of Pellenor Field, Theoden's speech, and the charge...

That irritated me a little, b/c that was Eomer's speech when he came across the 'corpse' of Eowyn.

quote: 2) Pippin singing that mournful Shire song to Denethor as the Steward stuffs his face, intercut with Faramir and the Gondorians riding to retake Osgiliath... so beautiful and sad I almost wept.

I also think they should've mentioned Denethor's madness was due to his having a palantir...I'm pretty sure that will be in the EV.

The main thing that bothered me was Frodo never losing that worried look he carried thruout all 3 films. I thought at least he would've had 2 times that his will shown through: after wrestling with Gollum, and when he is at the Crack of Doom.

Ah, well. Still a great film.

	19-12-2003 20:48									#218
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quote: That irritated me a little, b/c that was Eomer's speech when he came across the 'corpse' of Eowyn.

Heh, you purist you. At least Eowyn's fight with the Witchking was done right. That was solid.

I agree about the charge of the Rohirrim. Lump in throat + shivers. Awesome.

-Arrian

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My favorite line:

"We cannot defeat Mordor through force of arms."
"No, we cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless."

-Arrian

	19-12-2003 21:13									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Heh, you purist you. At least Eowyn's fight with the Witchking was done right. That was solid.

I don't remember exactly why right now, but some Swedish journal mentioned it wasn't exactly as in the book...

BTW, apparently there's a major mistake in the Swedish translation of the books concerning that part (I've only read them in English; just started reading them in Swedish).

The translator confuses the pronomina "he"/"she" and "his"/"her" so that it's actually Merry (IIRC) who ends up killing the Nazgül king...

Something for Theban to ponder during the holidays (in addition to whether I'm male or female)!

I'm going home tomorrow; in a couple of days I'll see the movie! Who-ho!!!

Merry Christmas everyone,

Carolus

	19-12-2003 21:19									#221
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Merry is involved, in both the movie and the book. Same way, too. The battle between Eowyn & Merry and the Witchking is damn near exactly the same in the movie as it is in the book. I think Eowyn's line(s) might be slightly changed, but that's it.

-Arrian

	19-12-2003 21:22									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Heh, you purist you. At least Eowyn's fight with the Witchking was done right. That was solid.

Maybe I am too purist. But I let a lot of other things slide.

And yes the fight was solid, right down to where her shield is smashed and arm paralyzed (and broken!). Too bad that didn't last longer!

And I would think that someone with the moniker 'Rex' wouldn't be a woman.

	19-12-2003 21:24									#223
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Merry is involved, in both the movie and the book. Same way, too. The battle between Eowyn & Merry and the Witchking is damn near exactly the same in the movie as it is in the book. I think Eowyn's line(s) might be slightly changed, but that's it. -Arrian

She doesn't say, "I am a woman." That, IIRC, is the only difference.

	19-12-2003 21:25									#224
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Yeah, the missing "Halls of Healing" is one of the main reasons I think the movie felt rushed. It went from Pelennor fields to the Black Gate in what felt like a blink of an eye.

To be fair, I'm somewhat of a purist myself, just maybe less so that you. You remind me a bit of my friend Tom, with whom I will be seeing RotK again tomorrow.

EDIT: crosspost. I think he also cut out a line from the book:

"You stand between me and my kinsman. Do what you will, but I will hinder you if I may."

IIRC, that was replaced by something like "leave him alone." Whatever.

-Arrian

	19-12-2003 21:48									#225
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And When The Witch-King says, "Do not get between a Nazgul and its prey," they left out where it says, "or else we'll carry you to Minas Morgul and give you a wedgie," or something.

	19-12-2003 21:54									#226
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Yes, Tolkein's use of the wedgie as metaphor is legendary.

Still 4 hours, 40 minutes until my viewing...

	19-12-2003 22:10									#227
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I missed the scene where the armies of good slaughtered the armies of furries...

	19-12-2003 22:15									#228
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Gawd, I hope thats on RotK:EE

Die, furries, DIE!

	20-12-2003 07:41									#229
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Doesn't Frodo don a leopard suit at the Cracks of Doom and ask Sam to yiff him, like in the books?

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	20-12-2003 08:49									#230
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Great movie, saw it a little while ago. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Apparently one of the orcs took my sister to her senior prom (didn't need a costume) not sure which battle he was in. (must be nice to study abroad in NZ and hear they are looking for extras)

	20-12-2003 09:03									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Perhaps it will be in the EE. He did mention to Gandolf that he knew more then Gandalf thought he did. So perhaps it will be explained in the EE. Maybe not.

I think we will see something of it in the EE. That brief mention was a hint to the book-fans that Jackson hadn't forgotten it, and like Hex says, it'll only take 45 seconds or so. I hope so anyway.

The film is awesome. I have to see it again to even begin to critique it.

	20-12-2003 09:38									#232
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Great movie, saw it a little while ago. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Apparently one of the orcs took my sister to her senior prom (didn't need a costume) not sure which battle he was in. (must be nice to study abroad in NZ and hear they are looking for extras)

Jeez, your sister must be desperate if she'll date someone who looks like an orc.

	20-12-2003 10:51									#233
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian My favorite line: "We cannot defeat Mordor through force of arms." "No, we cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless." -Arrian

doesnt beat what the dwarf said about the last battle.

I liked this one alot. Thats saying alot cause i found first one terrible and second mediocre. So there... I hope I made all the fanboys happy.

There are some things I didnt like about this movie tho, but I don wanna start nitpicking everything... but one thing I want to mention: The "ending/epilogue" was so friggin long. When I went to watch it, People cheered so loudly when "the end" screen came out not because it was just a good movie but because they were glad it was over. I remember approximately 4-5 loud "Awwwwww" from the audience as epilogue went to new scene after scene. It was late and we were getting tired....


Audience was getting so bored and tired by the time we got to epilogue that everyone started laughing at hint of gay reference in the movie. Esp with the hobbit's and all the friendship scenes... if ur mind is tired bored and twisted because of it.... you'll know what i mean...

	20-12-2003 11:15									#234
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return of the king rocked

in order of whoopassness

3-1-2.

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	20-12-2003 19:11									#235
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Funniest line in the movie:

quote: Originally spoken by Gimli That still only counts as ONE!!!

Got the hole theater laughing out loud with that one.

	20-12-2003 19:49									#236
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gandalf kicks ass in that movie. so does legolas, even though hsi antics still only count as one.

they did a good job with it. i can't wait till the extended version comes out, when she and i can watch it at home on our couch and make our own intermissions. especially if you're feeling under the weather, ilke i was.

	20-12-2003 20:19									#237
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Saw it yesterday Although I agree that the "goodbye" scenes were a bit too much I think overall it was a great movie, and a great final part for the trilogy

quote: Originally posted by donegeal Funniest line in the movie: quote: Originally spoken by Gimli That still only counts as ONE!!! Got the hole theater laughing out loud with that one.

Yeah, indeed

	21-12-2003 19:58									#238
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Just saw it. Yes, it's majestic, epic, etc. Yes, it's lovely to look at. Yes, as rip-offs of the St. Crispian's Day speech go, the one in this film is pretty fine. But...

The pacing is a very uneven; some things drag on forever (the goodbyes most notably) while others are over way too quickly, given their buildup (especially the fight with the head Ringwraith guy).

And, as someone who doesn't remember the book (and never got through it anyway), I find several things are annoyingly unexplained, like the arrival of the eagles (deus ex aerie?) and those matching cloak-clasps. And, for that matter, pretty much everything about Cate Blanchett's character (Galadriel?).

Add to this that Elijah Wood actually vies with Keanu Reeves for the coveted title of "Most Wooden Actor to Have a Trilogy Built Around Him" (yes, they both beat out Mark Hamill) and you know what? It was great. But Master and Commander was better.

	22-12-2003 06:43									#239
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After Frodo awakens from his stupor after the Ring's destruction, and each of the remaining members walk into the room one by one, Samwise got the most applause.

He definately kicked it in the end.

	22-12-2003 06:49									#240
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quote: The pacing is a very uneven; some things drag on forever (the goodbyes most notably) while others are over way too quickly, given their buildup (especially the fight with the head Ringwraith guy).

I've heard this a lot about the movie. They don't pause when they should (Sam's dilemma and saving Frodo, etc.) and pause too much when they shouldn't (ending). Some people have said it was very patchwork.