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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:32
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I found a really cool map, and I'd love to give a diplo a try on it. Its a map of the classical world, based around the Mediterranian. But much better than the prepackaged one. Its really big, but much of that land is desert. Of the good, fertile land its not excessively big.
I made some slight modifications to ensure all the civs have a special in their beginning radius (except the French/Gauls, but they've got great land anyways). And I've closed the Suez canal.
We'll have to wipe huts before this one starts, cause that was just be too unbalancing on such a big map. Also, since there is some really good land in the Southern part of Africa we'd need to stick some unbeatable barbarians down there or something, cause its too damn far away from everyone else for a player to start there, and the land is just too good to let sit down there.
So what do you all think?
Greeks vs. Romans vs. French/Gauls vs. Carthaginians vs. Egyptians vs. Babylonians/Arabs/Persians vs. Turks/Trojans/Byzantines.
Who's with me?
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Zylka
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Wow.. I missed Makeo :embarrassed:
didn't think you had much time lately.. just let us know your schedule, as with everyone else. we'll work from there
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Zylka
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Alright, here's my proposed map - with basic starting positions laid out and general tactical terrain looked after according to the slim body in the middle meant to draw the more space expansive power into the middle and (minor) conflict. The north eastern edge of the map has been made less hospitable so the ol' Russian area mega machine isn't a late game problem.
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Zylka
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Basic resource tweaking will be finished tommorrow - but for now here's the proposed concept for the latest Eurodip: Rise of Lesser Europe
Roleplaying is given a chance to follow a new storyline outside of the same old France, England, Germany, Russia, Italy thing.. I think it would be interesting if one of our scenario makers could alter it by theme according to other nations expanding through a more abstractly fictional European history - with the basic mid sea body variable thrown in for more interaction and chance of conflict.
Anyway - Proposed civs are as follows:
Yellow - Portugese or Basque
Green - Irish, Welsh, or Scottish
Orange - Dutch, Belgian, or Luxembourger
White - Sicilian, Corsicans, or Sardinian
Purple - Danish, Polish, or Lithuanian
Blue - Serbian, Turkish, or Israeli
Turquoise - Ukranian
Each specific civ has it's own little perk while maintaining the basic strategy of overall color location, as I will explain in depth later (with the finished map as visual aid). I believe myself and Ozzy are pretty much willing for the two leftovers, so start considering your picks as they'll be handed out once we have a full roster 
Oh.. and those little tentacle penis things coming out of the italian islands are supposed to show available land routes, in case anyone was (probably) wondering.
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Zylka
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I'll get the *finished* map for you tommorrow.. Welsh are a little contained, but have moderate offshore access to Scandanavia, Brittany etc - and a few added NW islands, extended shetlands etc. to play with. Actually.. sounds like it would fit your playing style
ok.. back to work
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Zylka
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change is good for some, especially in fiction..
as for yours - if you don't want Africa there, why not just lop it off and put more focus into middle europe?
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Zylka
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Ok. Rise of Lesser Europe: The map
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Zylka
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The file
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Zylka
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Dutch, Belgian, or Luxembourg
A nice, even yet defensive home pocket - all three of these choices rest with naval ability for interaction in the near British atlantic - as well as the snaking mid continent body.
The Dutch have the clear initial advantage resource wise of the three, with a whale and silk - and they also have quick and easy access to the Atlantic for any planned off-shore exploits. Belgian location suggests a quick route exploit of northern France as home - while still maintaining dominancy of the *near* east from any severe Dansish/Polish approaches. The Luxembourgers are a specialty choice - movemnt to nearby specials would likely be followed up by a sudden claim to thwart Sicilian/Corsican/Sardinian claims to the rich, defensive Alps region.
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Zylka
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Basque or Portugese
At first glance - not much is seen as benefit of this pick, but what lies just outside of the mainland grasp is near assured for one or the other choice. Portugal is a super defensive, isolationist power with a rich, medium sized offshore island to offset relative distance from thick grasslands. One playing Portugal is almost sure to capitalize at least a third of the hospitable North Africa, after a quick boatload is made across the Gibraltar straight.
The Basque will likely take on an entirely different settlement tactic - assured control of the rich south of France and biding claims for the rest of the east with (Orange) and (White). At the same time, they can be near sure to leave behind dry Spain and its rich island for eventual return when things get cramped and hostile in the east. North Africa is further away and into (White) hands, but still an option.
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Zylka
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Zylka
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Sicilian, Corsican, or Sardinian
A trade friendly spot for anyone who wishes to control the mediterranean and have southern access to the inner snakeway - these picks are a little isolated initially but do not remain traditionally as islands. Sicily is the bulk spot focusing on the connected mainland - with a fair start of a whale and a fish to make use of. The Sardinans have two near spot choices combining a whale and pheasant (between 2 whales, 1 pheasant) - and are logical for quick land passage to the Tunis area or route to the mainland. Corsica focuses more on the mediterranean shore, with direct route to the rich Marseilles/Nice/Monaco area. All are varying degrees of desired isolation or expansion.
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Zylka
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Serbian, Turkish, or Israeli
Greatest range in choice; these options offer either a head on, interactive and assertive Serbian force, a midway & conservative yet still able Turkish Empire; or a chance to re-create Israeli history in less than conventional location.
Serbians should be considered only by one able of direct conflict - as run ins with the near all mainland civs are possibility by many a shared border (especially the Ukranians). They are a little cramped in comparison to other mainlands, but opportunity to leave the Turkish hills and middle east for late colonization is option - although proportional to (White) and Ukranian aims.
The Turkish are pseudo isolationist - but will see a fair bit of contest between (White) and the Ukranians. A more assured dominance of the middle east and even Egypt is seen with them.
Israeli's are the toughest choice by far - able and beneficial only by hands of some of the most specialty method players. Early isolationist can only be applied in description - as their specific type, location and amount of growth space can in time skyrocket to the top and expand outwards with dominance.
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Zylka
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Irish, Scottish, Welsh
If one plans not to have super large trade hubs with one of these civs, there is little room for option elsewhere. Differences between civs here are mainly roleplying, added that the well centered Welsh only recieve a whale in vicinty, the Irish a whale and nearby coal - and the distant Scots a pheasant and wine. Each option should be looking for early claims in Brittany and even West Scandanavia; lest the isles and their bonus surrounders seem enough territory to please.
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Zylka
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Polish, Danish, or Lithuanian
One of the most well rounded of colors, choices under purple provide for a larger, more army based culture with adequate navy and trade. The Danish option is for one adament on settling Scandanavia with little contest - yet willing to (an extent) set the vast green fields of greater Euope temporarily aside. The Polish are highest recommendation of choice, not only for secure and prosperous chance of radial growth - but to preserve balance of claims in central Europe. Lithuania is choice for those always fearing the great Eastern tide - a slight benefit in direction of settling European areas open for the Ukraines; yet at definite cost of westward expansion.
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Ukrainians
Last and certainatly not least - the all powerful, mega populous Ukraine. Of course this isn't definite outcome of such location, but the vast open fields of the breadbasket open for settlement & accented by rich food resources suggest so. Even with modifications making the eastern north far less hospitable - this civ will likely still take crown in land area as well. The only problem is trade bonus, so one had best be looking for offshore exploits and general fear to make up the difference. The Ukraine are quite able to control the Eastern half of the snakeway with an iron fist - for instance; so don't rule it out as a techburb quite yet.
(I as well might add one or two hill islands in the Caspian for those fish - for contest between the Ukraine and [Blue] - ideas?)
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Zylka
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