17-12-2003 17:58									#1
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GoW didn't offer peace in-game. I could suggest to Aggie that we can consider ourselves at cease-file now as they offered for our retreat. They have five knights 'observing' at Barc-4.

That would allow us to shield the two RP workers at Barc-9 so they can escape - perhaps onto their boat, while also protecting the silks from pillage while holding Barca another turn. Silly me told RP they could move their workers there, forgetting we'd planned to pillage it this turn.

If GoW don't agree to cease-fire we could capture RP's workers ourselves & pillage the road on that tile - giving the workers back to RP later. We could suggest this to RP - they might like it if it saves their workers and they accept that those towns can't be held.

	17-12-2003 19:10									#2
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PMs to Aggie and Togas/Arnelos/Aidun sent. I think the GoW cease-fire is likely, so I suggsted RP could get their workers off by boat.

I doubt we'll be seeing ND again - they've got some catching up to do on Ansars.

	17-12-2003 19:46									#3
	Eliopolis Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

This can be pumped to size 6 this turn, and could use the mine. If it gets 5 spt, with 82 in the box, it can have a Forbidden Palace in 25 turns.

Even if RP are moving in, our Midlands cities will start turning good shield and coin, perhaps round about the time some of our bigger cities are ready again for a unit or two. Those not building wonders, of course.

	17-12-2003 19:51									#4
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Hey guess what? We're 1st in pop, GNP, Mfg and productivity - and 2nd in literacy.

	17-12-2003 19:58									#5
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Not too much to discuss this turn, I guess. The game crashed when I went into one of the former spanish cities.

Any outstanding questions?

	17-12-2003 20:35									#6
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Just the question of what to do with the cities. I just cc'd Master Zen with the message I sent Aggie. If we don't get a cease-fire, we'll have to disband Barcelona this turn, and possibly capture RP's workers. If we don't hear from RP to agree on that, they'll lose their workers to GOW anyway, and we won't be able to pillage that tile.

We could offer New Madrid to RP this turn.

	17-12-2003 22:26									#7
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if (GowCeaseFire) then
/* Barc doesn't have to be disbanded or traded this turn */
MOVE: Keep knight in Barc, and send 1 knight to each of Barc-8, Barc-87 to block GoW and suggest RP's workers get on their galley
if (ND want deal) and (RP want deal) then
if (deal=OK) then
offer peace and Barc accepted to ND
MOVE: use galley to evac Barc knight and worker
else
keep barc and work on deal
end if
else
keep Barc anyway for Silks for a bit longer
end if
else
/* Barc must be disbanded or traded this turn */
MOVE: use galley to evac knight and worker
if (ND want deal) and (RP want deal) then
if (deal=OK) then
offer peace and Barc accepted to ND
else
trash Barc
end if
else
trash Barc
end if
end if

Last edited by Cort Haus on 17-12-2003 at 22:36

	17-12-2003 22:32									#8
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My nesting tabs are lost and it strips leading spaces How can I get it to hold its formatting?

	17-12-2003 22:48									#9
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code:
 Originally posted by Cort Haus 
if (GowCeaseFire) then
    /* Barc doesn't have to be disbanded or traded this turn */
    MOVE: Keep knight in Barc, and send 1 knight to each of Barc-8, 
Barc-87 to block GoW and suggest RP's workers get on their galley
    if (ND want deal) and (RP want deal) then
        if (deal=OK) then 
            offer peace and Barc accepted to ND 
                MOVE:  use galley to evac Barc knight and worker
        else 
            keep barc and work on deal 
        end if
    else
        keep Barc anyway for Silks for a bit longer
    end if
else
    /* Barc must be disbanded or traded this turn */
    MOVE:  use galley to evac knight and worker
    if (ND want deal) and (RP want deal) then
        if (deal=OK) then 
    offer peace and Barc accepted to ND 
        else 
            trash Barc
        end if
    else
        trash Barc
    end if
end if 

Originally posted by Cort Haus 

if (GowCeaseFire) then

    /* Barc doesn't have to be disbanded or traded this turn */

    MOVE: Keep knight in Barc, and send 1 knight to each of Barc-8,

 Barc-87 to block GoW and suggest RP's workers get on their galley

    if (ND want deal) and (RP want deal) then

        if (deal=OK) then 

            offer peace and Barc accepted to ND 

                MOVE:  use galley to evac Barc knight and worker

        else 

            keep barc and work on deal 

        end if

    else

        keep Barc anyway for Silks for a bit longer

    end if

else

    /* Barc must be disbanded or traded this turn */

    MOVE:  use galley to evac knight and worker

    if (ND want deal) and (RP want deal) then

        if (deal=OK) then 

    offer peace and Barc accepted to ND 

        else 

            trash Barc

        end if

    else

        trash Barc

    end if

end if 

Last edited by alva on 17-12-2003 at 22:54

	17-12-2003 23:11									#10
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Aggie has confirmed the cease fire, and informed us that they are approaching chemistry.

From what he says, they're looking for tech partnerships too - perhaps implying that they'll give us chemistry in advance so we can research metallurgy.

If they're talking tech up front it sounds to me that the rationalists are winning over the headbangers, and there's a likelihood they'll go for some kind of alliance against Lego.

{edit : I had originally spelt Lego: N-D}

Last edited by Cort Haus on 18-12-2003 at 02:00

	17-12-2003 23:35									#11
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It crashed on me zooming to New something. The other two were ok. I never seen this in civ. I have seen it in Moo2. It was always caused by someone using the editior on the save game.
I am not saying that is what happened here, only it was the first thing that came to me.

Why is so hard to get a commitment on any potential deal? Is it a delaying tactic or just a lack of coming to a conclusion?

	18-12-2003 00:00									#12
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It's all a bit cagey at the moment. Everyone is probably waiting to see what everyone else is going to do. GoW are being more forthcoming than ND so far.

Also, Togas replied here quoting a Darekill looking unlikely to come to a deal.

When we're gone and SP is visible in two turns things might get clearer.

	18-12-2003 00:15									#13
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alva, thanks for the formatting tip

	18-12-2003 01:13									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus alva, thanks for the formatting tip

You guys are, uh, wacky.

	18-12-2003 02:57									#15
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Do we want to offer peace to GoW?

	18-12-2003 03:06									#16
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Bob Moves:

Keep knight in Barc, and send 1 knight to each of Barc-8, Barc-87 to block GoW and suggest RP's workers get on their galley
Units get into boats - boats shuttle back and forth


Northern Fleet:

Start moving galley chain clockwise round N. Stormia. A couple of these can be part of the eastern galley defences.
one remains at Port Isolation-211, another goes to Beta 444111, and the one already there moves to Inchon-444441
rest of galleys line up near Beta.


Stormia moves:

2 workers from Cyclone to Tornado and wait. they'll take Tornado to 12 next turn.
workers from Cyclone moves 888
Settler by BB adds to BB
Worker from cyclone-4 adds to BB
Worker from cyclone-4 moves 888
Worker in Eliopolis adds to city

Kinights near Dissville move to mnts near Inchoff and coast nr WoC
Knights near Arashi move to mnts nr Sandstorm
Pike on Inchon mnt to Inch-6
Warrs at OG to WW-9

Builds & MM:

Barca builds worker, starts worker
Barca builds worker, starts worker
Cyclone builds worker, orders another
Blizzard builds galley, orders another

Tornado gets Torn-2 from Sufa to take a turn of Harbor and growth.
BB switches to marketplace
Santa Ana use mountain to take a turn off pike - now 1 turn
give Inchoff the Iron Mnt
give Eliopolis the hill
use iron mnt in Diss for +7 spt and cat in 2 turns
Sandstorm switches to library

	18-12-2003 03:22									#17
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RP : send furs, incense, iron accepted (I thought they already had these)

Vox : send Invention accepted

GoW : send peace accepted

	18-12-2003 04:06									#24
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I'll send the turn as documented.

	18-12-2003 04:28									#25
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cool, that was a quickie

	18-12-2003 05:10									#26
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Yup, but there was little in the way of choices.