07-01-2004 21:37									#181
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When do we start?

	07-01-2004 22:01									#182
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When Octavian X is done making the maps...

	08-01-2004 04:31									#183
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Ok, this is all looking good. The final map (all sizes were set to tiny ) is complete.

All players, PM me your passwords. As suggested earlier, I'll set all of them and skip the first turns for everybody. The game will be modded so that everyone will still start at 4000 B.C.

The sooner you get your passwords to me, the sooner we can get this game off the groud.

	08-01-2004 18:18									#184
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My password is: ********


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Btw, should we have a minor rule where a player can post 1-2 Civs they defently don't want to play (If a player gets a certain Civ, the game will be restarted?)

There's defently one Civ I'd hate to play as...

	08-01-2004 22:01									#185
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then it wouldnt really be random then would it?

	08-01-2004 22:48									#186
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There's still a high number of other Civs you have a chance to get... have many Civs are there? 24? That'll still give 22-23 other Civs for the randomness generator

	08-01-2004 22:53									#187
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31. That means youīve got a chance of 3.225 % to get that one civ you didnīt like. Give it a try.

	09-01-2004 02:01									#188
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In C3C there are no civs that are so bad I wouldn't play them in a game like this.

*hopes that those don't go down as famous last words*

	09-01-2004 02:53									#189
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It's not because this specific Civ has some bad traits or something... it's just that I just can't stand them (As a nation... not specific people)...


... and no, I wont post which Civ it is... don't want to end up getting flamed and whatnot...

	09-01-2004 03:38									#190
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I suppose you may talk to Octavian. If itīs that specific civ, he might restart your game.

	09-01-2004 03:51									#191
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Sorryy, that's too much trouble. . You should be fine, ADG. As pointed out, there's a good chance you'll not get that civ.

We also still away GhengisFarb's address. Game 2 won't start until we get that info.

I have recieved passwords from the following people:
Game 1:
ADG
Rommel2D
predesad

Game 2:
Soltz
GhengisFarb (No e-mail address)

Game 3:
Wittlich
smellymummy
notyoueither
CerberusIV

Game 4:
BigFree
Sir Ralph
E_T
Paddy the Scot

Games 3 and 4, therefore, will be sent out to the first people on the list in a few hours. Games 1 and 2 will start when we recieve passwords from Tarquinius, Iron Jackson and rogerurb, as well as GF's e-mail address.

Also, if someone could recommend a free e-mail service I can use with a decent amount of storage space for the use of CC saves, I'd appreciate it.

Last edited by Octavian X on 09-01-2004 at 03:58

	09-01-2004 04:12									#192
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@ Octavian:
My message tracking tells me youīve read my message yesterday at 0:47.
Iīll re-send you my passwort, no prob.

	09-01-2004 04:30									#193
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Thanks. Don't know how I missed that.

One more issue to decide, unless I've missed it. I was booting up C3C to set up the first two games, when I remembered something: which patch? Original, 1.12, or 1.13?

I'd go for 1.12 for the moment, as it's proven to be bug-free, more or less. Thoughts?

	09-01-2004 05:35									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Iron Jackson Iīll re-send you my passwort, no prob.

Ewwww. Are passworts contagious?

	09-01-2004 07:08									#195
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I say we go with version 1.12 (since that's what I've been playing my other PBEM games with)

	09-01-2004 07:28									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X Game 4: BigFree Sir Ralph E_T Paddy the Scot

As far as I can see, the turn order should be E_T, BigFree, Paddy, Sir Ralph. E_T failed to give his time zone, but he waves an US flag and hence, should play between me (Europe) and BigFree (US west coast). If we don't fix this, chances are, that this game will be very slow (at most 1 turn in 2 days).

	09-01-2004 07:28									#197
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Hi, can I play?

	09-01-2004 09:35									#198
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@Sir Ralph: That can likely be rectified.

@Samuel2904: No, sorry, I believe we're too far in on the planning stages to let another player in.

	09-01-2004 11:43									#199
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ET is East coast (US)

	09-01-2004 13:30									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X We also still away GhengisFarb's address. Game 2 won't start until we get that info. Also, if someone could recommend a free e-mail service I can use with a decent amount of storage space for the use of CC saves, I'd appreciate it.

From another game, GF's email: GhengisFarb at msn dot com

Also, E_T would be GMT -5.

v1.12 is the official beta. It seems to fix the major problems well. I say use it and upgrade when another release is issued from Firaxis/Breakaway if it is compatible.

ADG has offered a website for us to load the turns to instead of dumping them all on you, Octavian. Can you give us instructions on uploading to your ftp, ADG?

Should we have a contingency plan for what to do if a player's and Octavian's real lives choose to rear their ugly heads at the same time? A second ref or at least someone to hold the passwords in escrow?

SAMUEL2904: If you can find 15 other players interested in a second tournement, I'll referee it for you.
[Hmm, 3 more of these and we can hold a grand championship 3rd round...

in 2 years or so ]

	09-01-2004 16:17									#201
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I'll post instruction to upload to my ftp in a few minutes...

	09-01-2004 17:04									#202
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How to upload to my ftp:

Find some ftp app (like Cute ftp or something)
Copy the following line (But change the DOT to . and such.. .and cut the spaces out) into the "parse url" function most ftp apps have:

ftp COLON BACKSPACE BACKSPACE C3C COLON 3Zti06Md AT ADG DOT sytes DOT net

Create a dir with your own nick (Right click in the window that's not your local machine... in cute ftp it's the one on the right side, and press "new dir")
To transfer files, just find your save in on your local computer (The window on the left side in Cute ftp), and drag/drop to the other window

Please delete your old saves when they're done being used... there's not much space on that HD

To find the saves again, just goto the following site:

http:\\ADG.sytes.net\Apolyton\Civilization\Tournament\YourNick\




If someone can come up with a much better explenation on how to do it: Feel free

	09-01-2004 17:21									#203
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You probably mean BACKSLASH instead of BACKSPACE, and it's still wrong, because through the internet slashes are to be used. By the way, the hassle of manually maintaining the ftp directory sucks. I will do so, but under protest only. When I said a referee, I meant one per game. Players from other groups can do that.

	09-01-2004 17:34									#204
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Do we really have to do all this?

What's wrong with simply running a thread here on poly for each game like any other PBEM. It should be up to the players to keep track. Octavian (or any other referee) only needs to be sent the turn to play if someone is overdue and the other players should pick that up and act on it.

Am I missing something here?

	09-01-2004 17:39									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph As far as I can see, the turn order should be E_T, BigFree, Paddy, Sir Ralph. E_T failed to give his time zone, but he waves an US flag and hence, should play between me (Europe) and BigFree (US west coast). If we don't fix this, chances are, that this game will be very slow (at most 1 turn in 2 days).

It might still if you do that. Next week, I'll be starting a job that works 2 days, then off 2 days, 12 hours shift each day, from 6PM to 6AM.

E_T

	09-01-2004 17:44									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph You probably mean BACKSLASH instead of BACKSPACE, and it's still wrong, because through the internet slashes are to be used. By the way, the hassle of manually maintaining the ftp directory sucks.

Yep, it was backslash I ment... isn't backslash = / ???

quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph I will do so, but under protest only. When I said a referee, I meant one per game. Players from other groups can do that.

That's what I thought also, but since I wasn't sure, that's why I made a poll out of it, and it got turned down...

quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Do we really have to do all this? What's wrong with simply running a thread here on poly for each game like any other PBEM. It should be up to the players to keep track. Octavian (or any other referee) only needs to be sent the turn to play if someone is overdue and the other players should pick that up and act on it. Am I missing something here?

I was just asking if anyone was interested... I defently would prefer the ftp way, since downloading/uploading files attached to emails it very annoying...

The player who gets the save from me, don't get the save in an attachment, but instead he just downloads from a static link, as soon he gets the email that the turn is played.
This only takes about 10% of the time, compared to if I had to use the attachment feature in the email service

And this wasn't supposed to stop the "I've sent the save" threads... those threads should still exist

	09-01-2004 18:07									#207
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I think a lot of the players participating in this tournament have some other games running. I think thatīs not too difficult to handle another one. Iīve no expirience using an application for ftp, but I think it wonīt save such an amount of time. Iīm connected to the internet via DSL so uploading the file takes about 3 or 4 seconds. And you still have to write the e-mail to alert the next player.

	09-01-2004 18:16									#208
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I agree with Iron Jackson, most of us are playing other PBEM games, and we all have to handle those saves etc.

How secure is the FTP site from others opening your files?
I do not remember actively using one.

Anyway, looking forward to getting this started.

	09-01-2004 18:21									#209
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The ftp thing is no problem downloading files (I receive the turn from ADG in one game anyway like this) but there is little difference in uploading compared to sending an attachment (I upload to a yahoo group for one game) for me and my dial up connection.

I suggest this is left to the players in each game to sort out whatever they are comfortable with. Let's get going.

	09-01-2004 19:20									#210
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV (...) but there is little difference in uploading compared to sending an attachment (...)

When using hotmail (And I believe several other email services uses the same method), attaching files in emails (compared to just upload to ftp) is too much of a hassle... but I guess if you've never used ftp before (Or only little), it might be too much of hassle to start learning how to use it...

quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV I suggest this is left to the players in each game to sort out whatever they are comfortable with.

That's why I said: "To those interested"