13-01-2004 18:45									#271
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Game 5? Can i sign up for Game 6 since it appears 1 and 2 have been cancelled?

If we don't hear from the missing players before tomorow, they will be kicked out of the game

	13-01-2004 18:51									#272
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Hey Sir Ralph, what are you quiting for?

Come on mate, lets get the Tournament happening...

	13-01-2004 18:54									#273
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It's not the tournament... it's my general attitude towards Civ3 at the moment.

	13-01-2004 18:57									#274
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well mate that is a shame...

I have only had one opportunity to be in a PBEM with you (while I sat in for ADG) and found that of all the people that I approached for a wrap up, you were happy to help out, and very informative.

Please, stick at it, Civ III is a good game.

	13-01-2004 18:59									#275
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On a sidenote, if Ghengis replaced me, it would also fix the completely messed up turn order, since we'd have 3 Americans in a row, the time difference of which doesn't really matter.

But I don't want to quit. I just consider the game in a too messy state to play at all, honestly.

	13-01-2004 19:01									#276
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As I stated over on the Game 4 thread, my hours are all over the place. Struth SR, look at the times that I post, they can be anywhere 24/7.

And I believe that Big Free said something like that as well.

So my understanding is that only E_T and your hours really matter. Do you agree with that?

	13-01-2004 19:03									#277
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Still if I straight follow E_T, this generates a certain delay of 18 hours, and that every turn (assuming E_T plays at his evenings).

	13-01-2004 19:09									#278
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Sir Ralph, I am not going to win any arguements if you already want to leave.

As to a guaranteed 18 hour delay, this is not guaranteed if we are all on line occasionally at your 6pm.

For this conversation I wish that either Wittlich or Bongo were on line. I play seperate PBEM's with these two and yet being at three massively different time zones these games are really moving along.

Oh and on PBEM games, I am in 10 C3C and 2 PTW PBEM games, most of which are recorded at the PBEM Forum.

Most of these games are hooting along quite well.

It is only the games with more than 5 players that are lagging...

Your choice, your time, yet we all lose if you quit.

	13-01-2004 19:22									#279
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I don't quit, I will play. It was just a proposal to let Ghengis replace me because a) he's eager to play (while I'm not anymore in the sorry state of the game) and b) it would fix the turn order.

	13-01-2004 19:24									#280
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excellant, glad you are going to stick it out...

it will be a good tournie, especially if we can get the first few turns of the ground and all...

	13-01-2004 19:26									#281
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Still I'd say we wait until the official patch end of February.

	13-01-2004 20:52									#282
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot For this conversation I wish that either Wittlich or Bongo were on line. I play seperate PBEM's with these two and yet being at three massively different time zones these games are really moving along.

That´s right. Even though Paddy is the only player from another time zone our game moves quite fast.

	13-01-2004 21:12									#283
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I agree, even with Paddy being in a different time zone, I have no problems with the speed of our current PBEM game.

	13-01-2004 21:56									#284
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Time zones doesn't matter really, what matter is availability.

Just want to add that we(me, Paddy, IJ and Johann Moritz managed 4 turns this friday without prior planning. Okay, so we got lucky but 2 turn per day is not unheard of if our availabilty match.

	13-01-2004 22:04									#285
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X Game 3: Wittlich (GMT - 8) wittlich AT sbcglobal DOT net smellymummy (GMT - 7) sm AT inethighway DOT com notyoueither (GMT - 7) notyoueither AT hotmail DOT com CerberusIV (GMT) CerberusIVciv3 AT aol DOT com Game 4: BigFree (GMT - 8) bigfree1 AT comcast DOT net Sir Ralph (GMT + 1) sirralph AT gmx DOT com E_T () royparrish AT earthlink DOT net Paddy the Scot (GMT + 11) paddythescot AT hotmail DOT com

Why are the games running west to east? Since it seems to be too much of a problem to work out specific availability times, why not just go with the usual, common sense east-to-west system? Everything else being equal, it should give a faster turnaround time.

	13-01-2004 23:17									#286
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Way to go, Rommel2D. But some here are arguing against.

	13-01-2004 23:31									#287
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quote: Originally posted by E_T When did we decide on the Beta Patch?

It was proposed back on the 8th. I count 4 yeas and no nays.

As far as I've seen, the only significant bug (ie noticeable by anyone but the AU whizzes ;-) in Conquests is corruption involving the Forbidden Palace, which was improved with the 1.12 patch. Is there any reason not to use it?

	13-01-2004 23:41									#288
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We do have enough players for a 5th game:

Game 5:
Beta
SAMUEL2904
Conqueror (GMT +2) conqueror AT mbnet DOT fi)
Master Zen

Still missing timezones and emails from 3 of the players though... oh, and send the wanted Password to Octavian X

The other 3 players:
Arnelos (GMT -5)
SirOsis sirosis AT hotmail DOT com
Trampler.se (GMT + 1) trampler_civ3 AT yahoo DOT com

are set to a 6th game, but if we don't hear from the missing people before tomorow, the first two people takes over their spots in the tournament...

	14-01-2004 00:22									#289
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Put me down for a game if you need someone.

conmcb25 AT bluemarble.net

GMT -5

Play in late evenings and occassionally guring the day.

	14-01-2004 00:49									#290
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PM'ed my password to OctX

About the patch: What about using the latest one, 1.15 BETA ?

FP is fixed some more there and a bit less corruption is experienced than in 1.12.
But 1.12 is fine to use too, as long as the tournament doesnt use fully unpatched version of C3C, i'm very happy to play.

	14-01-2004 01:00									#291
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@ Conqueror:

Please remember that some of the players might not have an english version. For example, I´m from Germany (nevertheless I own the english version), there might be players with a french or spanish version as well. These beta-patches are meant always for the english version.

	14-01-2004 01:08									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Iron Jackson @ Conqueror: Please remember that some of the players might not have an english version. For example, I´m from Germany (nevertheless I own the english version), there might be players with a french or spanish version as well. These beta-patches are meant always for the english version.

Im not an expert in this issue but I do not think this is correct.

Jesse said I believe in the release threads that if you applied 1.02 first then you were OK to apply the Beta's.

The French Team at MZO seems to be playing fine with 1.12 in the Demogame we have going there.

	14-01-2004 01:44									#293
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@ conmcb25:

1.12b was an international beta-release.
1.15b is a developer-patch (I know it´s horrible english, so please excuse that).

In the news section of our german civ-page
civ3.de
you can read that 1.15b is only meant for users with an english version.

I´m no expert, I just believe what the guys at that page tell me.

	14-01-2004 01:49									#294
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I downloaded and ran all three exe's. 1.12 and 1.15 both had options to choose the language for the patch. 1.13 was only English language. Are they saying 1.15 is faulty for all but the English versions?

	14-01-2004 01:55									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Iron Jackson @ conmcb25: 1.12b was an international beta-release. 1.15b is a developer-patch (I know it´s horrible english, so please excuse that). In the news section of our german civ-page civ3.de you can read that 1.15b is only meant for users with an english version. I´m no expert, I just believe what the guys at that page tell me.

Ah, OK thanks for clarifying.

Well then if that true it looks like all we can do is 1.12 until another "official" patch comes out. Beta or not.

	14-01-2004 04:25									#296
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Crap, I did mess those time zones up. When your studying for a math final while staring at those time zone numbers, your initial instinct is to put them in the correct numerical order, rather than the time zone.
Still, that's no excuse for the mistake I made, and I offer my most humble apoligies.

I've no object to GhengisFarb taking Sir Ralph's place, if they both agree to it. Sir Ralph, I encourage you to take GF's spot in Game 2 (CORRECTLY arranged according to timezone).

Tarquinius and rogerurb will have one more day to send in a password, due mainly to the fact I'm unable to properly create a map at this moment. Otherwise, they will be replaced.

	14-01-2004 04:28									#297
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Why didn't you just create one map and use it for each of the first set of games?

	14-01-2004 05:12									#298
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Sure, and the player names could just be "Player 1", "Player 2" etc.. The group members will know.

As for me, I have been asked to stay in the game 4. Buggers me, since it looks as if it will last twice as long as necessary.

	14-01-2004 06:59									#299
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will we have individual threads for each game?

	14-01-2004 07:24									#300
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quote: Originally posted by smellymummy will we have individual threads for each game?

Yes.

Smelly, our game thread is here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=106314