27-12-2003 06:12									#31
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Still not too late to cancel ridiculous Leo.

Still not too late to make GW and GL expire earlier.

But colossus is extremely important now. The civ that builds it is going to have unlimited number of foreign routes coupled with long term road bonus. I believe this is simply too strong with tech paradigm at 15 / 10.

What about barbarians and barbarian cities?

	27-12-2003 06:25									#32
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The thing is it will never be even. It's diplo and not everyone can buld all Wonders. We can't exclude any. We all just have to make our choices.

	27-12-2003 06:25									#33
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quote: Originally posted by deity I re-suggest my idea on tech trading: Only allowed to trade techs with formally signed allies and no more than two formal allies at any given point in time. This allows each of the 7 civs to have at least one ally.

Afraid you won't be able to find a suck...err ally?

	27-12-2003 06:25									#34
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We should make col 300 shields to make up for it.

	27-12-2003 06:26									#35
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quote: Originally posted by ljcvetko Still not too late to cancel ridiculous Leo. Still not too late to make GW and GL expire earlier.

We're customized enough as it is

quote: But colossus is extremely important now. The civ that builds it is going to have unlimited number of foreign routes

Huh? "Unlimited foreign routes" - what are you talking about

Hadn't thought of barbs. Restless tribes or roving bands?

	27-12-2003 06:32									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Huh? "Unlimited foreign routes" - what are you talking about

Effectively, cause each trade route with col is going to be nearly as good as an external trade route. When you couple it with long term road bonus, it's a big advantage.

	27-12-2003 06:35									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Hadn't thought of barbs. Restless tribes or roving bands?

How about barbarian wrath?

	27-12-2003 06:43									#38
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	27-12-2003 06:45									#39
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I vote, and ozzy would agree, to villages onby. Huts and Barb hotspots can be too uneven.

	27-12-2003 06:55									#40
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Ozzy has given me the right to represent his interests and I say he wouldn't agree.

WE WANT BARBS!!!

	27-12-2003 06:56									#41
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We don't.

	27-12-2003 07:11									#42
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"* Maximum 8 total foreign trade routes allowed; divided in any decided ratio amongst recieving partners"

Agree that eight can be created by each civ but I can't see how you can manage a total of eight? What if I have seven and then the next turn a cara arrives from Rome and Greece?

	27-12-2003 07:12									#43
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	27-12-2003 07:37									#44
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so whats the verdict on traderoutes?

	27-12-2003 12:17									#45
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I suggest a total of 6 foreign trade routes initiated by a civ. If a civ receives another caravan above this, it's not their fault.

	27-12-2003 17:40									#46
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I'm going to have to stick to 8 (initiated by civ) but am willing to hear outside opinion. Great session so far, you sickly thugs

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	27-12-2003 18:44									#47
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Nice graphics
We should start a storythread and move them though.

	27-12-2003 19:48									#48
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Wow, was I ever **ing drunk. Apparently four more wonders were built after HG? Nice playing, ata and Dylan. Looks like us "mongers" have a rising presence in diplo world - after all

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	27-12-2003 20:19									#49
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I agree with making maximum 8 foreign traderoutes.
(Excluding routes made by others, only your own caravans count in this respect.)

I would like to point out that imo an unlimited hides connection can be used several times but they should count towards the maximum number of routes.

	28-12-2003 01:14									#50
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Wow, this may be the most customized and debated game ever made.

But good to see it is started! Cool to see my name on it too. Just hope I don't get blamed if things fall apart, hehe.

Well I'm still in Michigan, and still have limited time for computer stuff, but good to see things are started. Did we go ahead with the custom units? Do I see that correctly?

How did you do Ljube? I'm about to check out the story thread.

	28-12-2003 03:00									#51
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For a second I thought there was a barb city in the top five.

	28-12-2003 04:45									#52
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Ljube did well, your Greeks and the Babs are pretty much front in running at this point.

	28-12-2003 18:36									#53
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Babylon is running away from the pack I'd say with HG and ST.

	28-12-2003 18:38									#54
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Btw, can someone do a map as with HOTW4?

	28-12-2003 23:07									#55
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I'll work on that now, but I need permission from ALL players to reveal the map for it.

	29-12-2003 02:51									#56
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Good point, can everyone please post their ok?

	29-12-2003 03:28									#57
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Okey-dokey.

	29-12-2003 04:06									#58
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I made a storythread here for those who hadn't noticed yet

	31-12-2003 10:30									#59
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NP with map reveal.

	31-12-2003 21:13									#60
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Its ok by me. The way I do it is I expand the small map full screen before I reveal the map, so I only see as much as everyone else sees, i.e. city positions, not unit positions or infrastructure, or city size, etc.