27-12-2003 20:30									#1
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The out of character thread can be found here .

Look here for the thread in witch the game was set up.

Players first session (4000-575BC) :

Romans - atawa
Babylonians - Dylan Baker
Gauls - Frank Johnson
Egyptians - Makeo
Spanish - Zylka
Greeks - Ljube (Ozzy regular)
Carthaginains - deity

	27-12-2003 20:32									#2
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	27-12-2003 21:02									#6
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It was many moons ago that the two bands of Roman nomads met on the banks of the river Tiber.

The two tribes led by the Famous warriors Remus and Romulus decided to combine their efforts and make their permanant homes on the two banks of the river.

After an initial powerstrugle in witch Remus was killed by Romulan forces Romulus took power and named their city after himself: Rome.
Many Remus supporters fled the city to the north where they found another river they named the Remu to remember their slain leader.

Bands of scouts were send out of Rome and when they came to the new city that was called Pisae by the inhabitants an accord was struck in witch the Pisaeans came under the protection of Rome but had full rights to handle their internal affairs.

When our exploring warriors went further north they discovered that what was later called Roma major was in fact completely surrounded by mountains. To the west they met the Friendly Gaul people with whom we signed an agreement of eternal peace and exchanged knowledge. They also met the Spanish who sounded friendly so peace was made.
It was not untill later the Roman people discovered the Spanish people could in fact not be trusted.

In the east our explorers met the Greeks, those friendly people who we have much in common with asked to work together in the fields of Science and mutual protection.

Later we also met our friends the Babylonians and Egyptians and what later became our second allies the Chartagians.


As the years went past the Roman Kingdom grew and soon the people were crying out for more lands to settle. An expedition was send out west of Rome and our brave sailors discovered the islands of Corsicae and Sardiniae. Having sailed around these islands and seeing they had not yet been colonised the Roman people claimed these islands as their own.
The city of Sardiniae was build with plans for a second city north.

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It was in the year 950 that the citizens of the Roman Empire were fed up with the lifestyle of their king Romulus XXIIX while they were working all day on the lands for little or no compensation then the shirts on their backs and just enough food so they didnt starve.

In the years that followed a popular uprising gained momentum and in 925 the Roman Freedom Fighters finaly reached Rome and the Roman Monarchy fell after 1525 years.

The well renowned schollar Hadrianus was elected Consul in what was to be known as the Republic of Rome.

	27-12-2003 21:21									#8
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In the years after the revolution the people set out to build a wonder the world has never seen. As Literacy was on the rise the Romans thought it good to have a place for the extraordenary schollers to meet and exchange ideas.

For sentimental reasons this 'Great Library' was buils in Pisae in the year 900. From all over the world persecuted schollars fled to this haven of tranquility and learning, brining with them valluable knowledge.

It wasn't untill the year 800 that the people of Pisae discovered the construction of the Great Library was done by far less educated people then the ones currently studying there.

The tower where the Library was located slowly tilted to one side and Rome's greatest schollars were called in to correct this problem. They found they could in fact stop the increased tilting by removing all boooks to the high side of the tower but knew they could never bring it back to its original state......

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	27-12-2003 21:32									#9
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After long negotiations between Gaul and Roman reprisentitives in the city of Bern the two great nations decided on a permanent border.

Gifts of valluable technology were handed to our Gaul friends and the lines were drawn on the map.

We vow to respect our borders for all eternity and to stop any advancing army's comming overland from the east before they can reach the Gaulic homeland.

We hope this will be the start for a long and fruitfull coöperation between the Gaulic and Roman people

Border as proclaimed in the treaty of Bern:

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	28-12-2003 19:01									#10
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An elite force of Spanish troops, disguised as diplomats kidnapped the renowned Roman scholar Maximus Pompeius from his residence in Remonium.

Inteligence reports state that he was taken back to Spain and tortured for days untill he finaly broke down and explained to the Spanish thugs the secret of warrior code. After they got all information out of the brave man they reportedly fed him to the crocodiles.

The Roman empire has strongly condemed this brutal act of war and demanded reperations in the form of one caravan with tradegoods to be handed over to the familymembers of the slain schollar.

But did the Spanish even respond to our words? Hell no, even while the other nations of the world urged the Spanish to come to the negotiating table there was nothing but utter silence and contempt from Spain.

As we are a peaceloving nation we have decided not to retaliate by military means but instead proclaim a full boycot of the Spanish witch encompasses the following measures:

1, There will be no trade of any form between the Roman and Spanish.

2, All Roman coastal waters will be off-limits to Spanish vessels. Orders have been send out to sink any Spanish ship that attempts to sail into Roman waters.

3, Spanish units crossing over the alps into Roman teritory will be considdered hostile and dealt with in an apropiate manner


We call on all civilised nations of the world to join us in this boycot untill reperations are paid.

	29-12-2003 09:20									#11
	The Carthaginian Civilisation Suffering from ads?

Hannibal built his first humble city on the Northern African shores and pondered the fate of his peoples. He sent tribes West and then South East, deciding that the desert interior would force settlement along the coast.

A warrior group made for the East where there was rumour of a great Egyptian civilisation. Contact was made and peaceful relations established. Technology trading and map sharing ensured and gradually an alliance was forged.

However, Hannibal feared sea-raiders from the North and compromised on settlement sites along the northern coastline. Pushing further westward to known river systems his fears were realised. Firstly contact was made with Zylka of the Spanish who offered strange combinations of deals - not clearly communicated. None the less an alliance was brokered but Hannibal was uneasy about it.

The first Cart ship sailed North and found, not Spanish, but Romans who were a stable and reliable friend but although an alliance was offered by the Romans none was agreed at this stage. The existing alliances with the Spanish and Egyptians would need reviewing first for it was policy for only two other civilisations to be allies. THEN, out of the blue the Spanish cancelled their alliance, saying that they thought we wanted our alliance to be covert and secret. It was realised by our diplomats that the Spanish had made a diplomatic bungle and probably had meant to cancel their formal alliance with another tribe, much further North! The Spanish retorted that the Carts could re-establish the alliance if we wished but we took this opportunity to create a much more worthwhile and friendly alliance with the Romans.

As previously stated a new Cart city was established on the first river system in NW Africa but the second had foreign Spanish colonisers....

see map (more details to be revealed later by Cart historians)

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	29-12-2003 09:31									#12
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quote: Originally posted by atawa An elite force of Spanish troops, disguised as diplomats kidnapped the renowned Roman scholar Maximus Pompeius from his residence in Remonium. Inteligence reports state that he was taken back to Spain and tortured for days untill he finaly broke down and explained to the Spanish thugs the secret of warrior code. After they got all information out of the brave man they reportedly fed him to the crocodiles. The Roman empire has strongly condemed this brutal act of war and demanded reperations in the form of one caravan with tradegoods to be handed over to the familymembers of the slain schollar. But did the Spanish even respond to our words? Hell no, even while the other nations of the world urged the Spanish to come to the negotiating table there was nothing but utter silence and contempt from Spain. As we are a peaceloving nation we have decided not to retaliate by military means but instead proclaim a full boycot of the Spanish witch encompasses the following measures: 1, There will be no trade of any form between the Roman and Spanish. 2, All Roman coastal waters will be off-limits to Spanish vessels. Orders have been send out to sink any Spanish ship that attempts to sail into Roman waters. 3, Spanish units crossing over the alps into Roman teritory will be considdered hostile and dealt with in an apropiate manner We call on all civilised nations of the world to join us in this boycot untill reperations are paid.

Your Carthaginian allies fully support these messures. We will assist in upholding the safety of the seas and likewise ban all trade from Spain. A map is being drafted for Roman consideration. Any Spanish vessel found on the wrong side of the demarcation line will be sunk.

	29-12-2003 09:43									#13
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Opinion is sought from all nations but consider this. The only acts of war perpetrated in our peaceful world is by the Spanish (possibly supported in secret by their running dogs)

* The Spanish have stolen technolgy

* The Spanish have colonised the lands of their allies (at the time)

It is important the world act now and stand as one before this tyrant creates a war machine or plunders from us all.

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	29-12-2003 11:43									#14
	The Rise of the Babylonians Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I can take little credit for the words that follow. They are the culmination of the life's work of a thousand writers and warriors, poets and explorers. Some, as you shall see, are more wordsmith than others. I am merely an editor, a fortunate old man who has been lucky enough to serve as ambassador to those two civilizations which rival my own in scope and splendor, France and Greece.

Ironically, these sketches are being compiled from the hallowed halls of the Great Library in Pisae. I count myself lucky to be allowed here during my summer holiday, to be tending to the books of the greatest library ever conceived. Other civilizations beware: knowledge is power, and while many cultures are respresented among the staff here, it is Rome that is deriving many of the benefits! (Curiously, I have not seen the Spanish delegates around in several days. Have they been taken ill?)

What follows is a compliation of essays, notes, reports and other declassified documents that, taken together, will lend the reader an understanding of the Babylonian position in world affairs.

	29-12-2003 11:50									#15
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An effort to resolve the Africa land issue by peaceful means.

It is requested that Spain immediately handover any settlements in Africa to the Carts. In so doing I'm sure the world community will look favourably upon your actions and redeem Spain's standing in the world. This, along with reparations payable to Rome for tech stealing will ensure the security of Spain. Any other line of action will result in disastrous consequnces for Spain.

	29-12-2003 12:15									#16
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Reply to the Carthaginian Envoy of 600 BC, declassified 575 BC

To be delivered in the most privledged manner to the Carthaginian and Roman heads of state, then placed on record at Pisae:

Gentlemen, I want it clear that it is the position of the Babylonian governement never to tolerate espionage. The Spanish are nothing but backwards, beer-swilling cowards, and, frankly, they deserve whatever they get.

I am of the opinion that Zylka must pay restitution, in the form of gold or technology. But if we are to curtail his movements, let us do it properly. Unless reparations are paid, I propose a zero tolerance policy on any Spanish naval movements at all, and a full trade enbargo. I will not have the Babylonian people worrying that their water supply will be poisoned or that their churches and schoolhouses will be destroyed! Many of the brave settlers of our coastal lands have already returned inland!

Of course, your mighty civilizations must do what is right for you, and I defer to whatever judgements you may make.

Very truly yours,

DB Grottencrotch

	29-12-2003 12:35									#17
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Letter to the 6 Heads of State upon completion of the Song of Roland

Gentlemen, you are no doubt aware that the Babylonian empire has acquired a great and terrible asset. This great wonder provides our military leaders with revolutionary training and hands-on battlefield experience before they leave the city of Babylon!

Late last year, I was approached by my military cousul expressing alarm at Roman troop movements outside the city of Kish. It seems a single band of stragglers was able to march south 500 miles (clear through our territory) to the mouth of the river Nile! Needless to say, I view these events with a certain degree of incredulity, as no right of passage doctrine was in effect.

I have already been approached by the great leader of the Carthaginians regarding my intentions in building such a structure. I say to you all what I said to him, that the world is filled with riff-raff, and that riff-raff will now think twice before prancing about in the West Bank.

Hopefully, the nations of the world will now respect the territory of the Babylonian empire. Rest assured, friends, that this weapon will never be used in a preemptive strike. It is simply a deterent, designed to ward off potential invaders and encroachers.

Truly yours,

DB Grottencrotch

	29-12-2003 12:59									#18
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A letter from explorer Geznikor Whompbukket to his wife upon arrival at the Egyptian city of Memphis

My dearest Malorie,

The poverty in this abused country is intense. Many Egyptians live off the residue of the Carthaginians and have become dispossessed in their own land.

Here, small figures crowd the rim of a garbage pit. A Roman cigarette hangs from a sullen adolescent mouth, old women stare idly into the distance, chariots stand burnished under the sun. There is little sound or movement while our party is present, just the kicking of trash into the large pit. Our horses leave, and, far away through billowing clouds of dust, one can discern small figures clambering into the pit.

Though Memphis is a small town it has practically all the facilities of one of our larger cities, like Ur, and many additional advantages available only in this part of the world. There are baths (though cold), fresh milk (though warm), a gentlemen's club with gambling, plenty of wine, and a very good selection of books in the town hall. Carthaginian and Eqyptian women will do laundry for a small fee and handle all the cooking. European travelers are also here but they are often separated from the natives by barbed wire because their wives travel with them. Around this perhaps 1/8 of a square mile town are rows of barbed wire, starving horses and men with spears.

Hopefully I will be moving on to a better place soon.

Your loving husband,

Gez Whompbukket

	29-12-2003 21:03									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Dylan Baker Reply to the Carthaginian Envoy of 600 BC, declassified 575 BC To be delivered in the most privledged manner to the Carthaginian and Roman heads of state, then placed on record at Pisae: Gentlemen, I want it clear that it is the position of the Babylonian governement never to tolerate espionage. The Spanish are nothing but backwards, beer-swilling cowards, and, frankly, they deserve whatever they get. I am of the opinion that Zylka must pay restitution, in the form of gold or technology. But if we are to curtail his movements, let us do it properly. Unless reparations are paid, I propose a zero tolerance policy on any Spanish naval movements at all, and a full trade enbargo. I will not have the Babylonian people worrying that their water supply will be poisoned or that their churches and schoolhouses will be destroyed! Many of the brave settlers of our coastal lands have already returned inland! Of course, your mighty civilizations must do what is right for you, and I defer to whatever judgements you may make. Very truly yours, DB Grottencrotch

We warmly welcome the support of our Babylonian and Chartagian friends in this troublesome times.

Our inteligence reports confirm that Spain does not poses any technology that would be of any use for the Roman people. It was therefore decided reparations in the form of a caravan would be demanded.

There is only one problem with the naval blockade as proposed by our Chartagian friends: In the north directly east of the red line lies a Gaul settlement in between Spanish and Roman teritory.

I would like to ask our Gaulic friends to either join our blockade or else let our ships pass through their coastal waters so they can form a blockade west of Gaulic teritory.

The band of special forces that kidnapped Maximus Pompeius crossed Gaul lands before entering Roman teritory. Now I understand our Gaul friends, like ourselves, did not suspect what was going on at the time, however, we now urge our friends not to let any Spanish troops cross over into Roman teritory from Gaulic lands.

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Good story so far

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quote: Originally posted by Dylan Baker Reply to the Carthaginian Envoy of 600 BC, declassified 575 BC To be delivered in the most privledged manner to the Carthaginian and Roman heads of state, then placed on record at Pisae: Gentlemen, I want it clear that it is the position of the Babylonian governement never to tolerate espionage. The Spanish are nothing but backwards, beer-swilling cowards, and, frankly, they deserve whatever they get. I am of the opinion that Zylka must pay restitution, in the form of gold or technology. But if we are to curtail his movements, let us do it properly. Unless reparations are paid, I propose a zero tolerance policy on any Spanish naval movements at all, and a full trade enbargo. I will not have the Babylonian people worrying that their water supply will be poisoned or that their churches and schoolhouses will be destroyed! Many of the brave settlers of our coastal lands have already returned inland! Of course, your mighty civilizations must do what is right for you, and I defer to whatever judgements you may make. Very truly yours, DB Grottencrotch

This is good news indeed.

The Carthaginians respectfuly assume that any actions taken by us against the Spanish, to reclaim our homelands, is supported by the Babylonians? May you play a part in helping us resolve this matter dipomatically?

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The Gaulic tribe even to this day, is a collection of small villages and towns. Steeped in tradition, the small communities continued outward into the fertile vallies of Europe. Bards sung of tales from long ago, and scribes took to pen the wise words of others. Right and wrong, justice and law, were debated by all good men, during the peer system, as well as now when the council rules over the land. However, the world passed the Guals behind.

Across the world, villages were no more, and huge cities replaced them. The quiet, friendly, villages of Gaul were backward once more. The stage was set, but the time was not yet right.

Has Gaul seen its glory come and go? No more frontiers open their doors, no cities rise up to claim glory. A single village sits on the mediterranian sea, trade route of the great powers.

Learning had fallen into hard times in Gual, the best scholars having moved to Rome, Gual was no longer a center of learning. Dominionative religions grew in popularity over the land.....one such legend follows as such.....

When darkness falls over the land,
The wind no longer sturs gently in the fields,
The seas grow cold and violent,
The flame of truth grows dim,
And the earth no longer yeilds its bounty,

Fear not, for a hero shall appear.

He shall come forth wearing alien vestment,
And weilding the sword of Light, Durandal.
The spirts of our anicestors will unite the Tribes of Gaul,
And all who oppose this will, shall meet with the wrath of all that is true.

	30-12-2003 11:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Frank Johnson The Gaulic tribe even to this day, is a collection of small villages and towns. Steeped in tradition, the small communities continued outward into the fertile vallies of Europe. Bards sung of tales from long ago, and scribes took to pen the wise words of others. Right and wrong, justice and law, were debated by all good men, during the peer system, as well as now when the council rules over the land. However, the world passed the Guals behind. Across the world, villages were no more, and huge cities replaced them. The quiet, friendly, villages of Gaul were backward once more. The stage was set, but the time was not yet right. Has Gaul seen its glory come and go? No more frontiers open their doors, no cities rise up to claim glory. A single village sits on the mediterranian sea, trade route of the great powers. Learning had fallen into hard times in Gual, the best scholars having moved to Rome, Gual was no longer a center of learning. Dominionative religions grew in popularity over the land.....one such legend follows as such..... When darkness falls over the land, The wind no longer sturs gently in the fields, The seas grow cold and violent, The flame of truth grows dim, And the earth no longer yeilds its bounty, Fear not, for a hero shall appear. He shall come forth wearing alien vestment, And weilding the sword of Light, Durandal. The spirts of our anicestors will unite the Tribes of Gaul, And all who oppose this will, shall meet with the wrath of all that is true.

OOC LoTR got to you eh

	30-12-2003 11:45									#24
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Looking forward to hearing more from the poetic Gauls; along with their opinions on International Affairs....

	30-12-2003 16:07									#25
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quote: Originally posted by deity This is good news indeed. The Carthaginians respectfuly assume that any actions taken by us against the Spanish, to reclaim our homelands, is supported by the Babylonians? May you play a part in helping us resolve this matter dipomatically?

Hardly. While we sympathize with your plight, there is a healthy difference between an embargo/blockade and fighting it out to recapture the Motherland.

Furthermore, before we become involved in diplomatic measures regarding territory in northwest Africa, I would like a little background information. Has Spain violated any treaty, written or otherwise, in settling there? What else might the world need to know before rushing to judgment?

Grott

	30-12-2003 19:15									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Dylan Baker Hardly. While we sympathize with your plight, there is a healthy difference between an embargo/blockade and fighting it out to recapture the Motherland. Furthermore, before we become involved in diplomatic measures regarding territory in northwest Africa, I would like a little background information. Has Spain violated any treaty, written or otherwise, in settling there? What else might the world need to know before rushing to judgment? Grott

My dear Grott,

Thankyou for making your position a little clearer.

Since no treaties were made, none could be broken. The incoherance of the Spanish leader made such things difficult... However it is clear from our map that Spain has colonised Africa before developing her homeland. It is common law that the natives of a land are the owners of the land; and clearly the Carthaginians are limited by a thin strip of arable land on the Northern shores of Africa. Any fair-minded and civilised leader would clearly see this upon earlier map exchanges and prior to the building of Spanish cities in Africa.

The Carthaginians already set a fine example by re-assuring Rome that the Mediterranean Islands off the shores of Rome, whilst near Carthage, were Roman. This was agreed with the honourable Romans despite the early discovery of Map Making by the Carthaginians. Likewise, the islands East of Spain were left for Spanish colonisation.

But, the Spanish actually made a deliberate bee-line for Africa, before settling their islands or indeed Western Spain and Portugal, in the full knowledge that the Carthaginians had limited land.

I implore you, my dear Grott, as a great leader of a fine and powerful civilisation to assist the Carthaginians in their plight. After all, you are a reasonable and trustworthy ally of our great Egyptian ally.

	30-12-2003 19:19									#27
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And the uninhabited Spanish islands...

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	30-12-2003 21:58									#28
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quote: The Carthaginians already set a fine example by re-assuring Rome that the Mediterranean Islands off the shores of Rome, whilst near Carthage, were Roman. This was agreed with the honourable Romans despite the early discovery of Map Making by the Carthaginians. Likewise, the islands East of Spain were left for Spanish colonisation.

The Romans have always apreciated this generous offer by our Chartagian friends

We welcome our Roman friends to send more trade caravans to the city of Sardiniae, this isolated trading port has grown quite a bit in size since your last visit and plans are made to build the first Roman market.

As the island of Sardiniae is considered a free trade zone the revenue from trading goods is high.
At this moment dye and hides are in heavy demand while the stockpiles of beads and coal have almost completely filled up the basements of Sardinian traders.

We like to extend this offer to all friendly nations in the world for as long as their schollars flock to the Great Library of Pisae.
(Country's under Roman boycott excluded.)

	30-12-2003 22:38									#29
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Good posts guys. Can't wait to hear what is going on with the greeks.

	31-12-2003 05:42									#30
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To our dear friend DB Grottencrotch

We welcome our good friends the Babylonians to the Red Sea which separates our great nations. The Egyptian government would like to propose and request that the Babylonians withhold themselves to the eastern banks and in return the Egyptian government will pledge not to establish any settlements on the east bank.

Makeozacoatl.


The Egyptian government is in full support of the Carthaginians struggle to reclaim land rightfully theirs. The aggressive resettlement program adopted by the Spanish must be halted immediately and North African land now in Spanish hands returned to the Carthaginians.


A Missive from King Makeozacoatl to Consul Hadrianus on behalf of the Egyptian trade consortium.

Consul Hadrianus, I feel it would be mutually beneficial to our respective countries and citizens if a trade agreement can be reached. My merchant class is clamouring for trade rights to Sardinae and the market places of Cyprus are crying out for goods. Perhaps we can leave it to our respecitve economic advisors to hammer out the details as the intricate details that seem to fascinate them, frankly, bore me.

Makeozacoatl.

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