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Sep 2000
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Listen, when the UN GA passes resolutions declaring Israel to be a racist state, when the Security Council routinely passes resolutions (that are vetoed by the US) that condemn only Israel for the violence, one knows that there is no hope for peace. |
As I'm sure you are well aware, the UN GA votes are passed by the simple majority of votes from all countries. Arabs (and even more so all Muslims), as you also know very well, have many countries, so the majority isn't hard to get there.
And the European countries would rather officially support the Palestenians here, at least by UN votes, because they don't wan to piss off a billion of Muslims.
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Perhaps the Israeli offer of humanitarian assistance to Iran would not have the odious tinge of political opportunism to it, should there have been a track record of humane treatment of Muslims in the past. |
*sigh*
i wanted to call you a name, but then i decided not to, and i will just put up some historical facts, in hope you will reconsider your theory, and prove yourself better.
1. aiding in the all the recent major scale earthquakes in the muslim country of turkey.
2. giving away water and medicine to palestinians during the operation defensive shield.
3. continuing supplying water to southern lebanese villages for free, after the withdrawal.
3 should do it for now.
as for the rest:
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Israeli army bulldozers in knocking down buildings burying civilians under the rubble |
name one incident when a civilian was burried under rubble from a knocked down building during the last 3 years.
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if not outright driving over civilians, amongst them the american peace activist Rachel Corey. |
The american peace activist Rachel "i'm going to stand infront of an armored bulldozer with a limited line of sight" Corey is a unique example of poor judgement by her, and poor visibility of the driver.
I'm sorry I sounded mean, but that's the case.
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Also Israeli sharpshooters have shown themselves very capable of assasinating foreign peace activists. |
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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To the point of the original article, a number of Israeli not-for-profit relief organizations have begun organizing a collection of money, tents, medical supplies, and other such necessities for shipment to Iran. It is being done through a round about circuit involving the British embassy and other ridiculous middle measures.
The Iranian government reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of an SS officer who refused a blood transfusion from an American because the medic said there was no way of knowing whether or not the blood was "Jewish." The SS officer died.
I, too, am surprised that this story of monumentally ridiculous racism did not make it into the popular news circuits.
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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I'm sorry I sounded mean, but that's the case.
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If it sounded mean then it is probably beacuse you are a mean person. Fascist.
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Apr 2002
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If it sounded mean then it is probably beacuse you are a mean person.Fascist |
For his next trick, Tripledoc will completely ignore anything of use that Sirotnikov wrote and call him a fascist! AMAZING!
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Tripledoc -  I too was tempted to merely call you an idiot, but I decided against it and chose to attempt and have a civil conversation over facts.
Instead, you have chosen to attack me, for no reason might I add. Shows alot about your maturity and your level of thought.
If you still want to have a conversation you are welcome to respond.
As for the case of Rachel, what do you want me to say? If she wants to demonstrate infront of huge bulldozers which have very very limited line of sight, she should at least watch not to get under the wheeles.
The bulldozers are extra-protected and thus have an especially limited line of sight when it comes to the few meters directly in front of it. So if you stand adjustant to it, the dirver won't know you're there.
The bulldozer didn't simply approach Rachel and didn't stop as some would like you to believe. At one time, Rachel approached very close to the Bulldozer and lay down, while the dirver didn't notice her, and began driving forward.
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
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The requirements for someone BORN in Israel are the same without regard to race or religion. The distinction is only with regard to immigration. |
given what happened to no-Jews in Israel at it;s beginning, and given that most israeli popualtion growth happend directly becuase of immigration-this matters immensely, probably more than issues baout being born there. After all , strict limits on who can beocme an Israeli coming from the outside limits who will be born in the future in the land.
I find Germany's citizenship laws to be terrible- the sooner they get rid of their emphasis on blood the better. |
GePap, if the world hated a particular ethnic group to a degree that they were killing them by the millions, denying them all human rights, etc., etc., etc., it would be a crime against humanity IMHO not to accord them categorical refugee status.
Do you not agree with this?
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Solver
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Listen, when the UN GA passes resolutions declaring Israel to be a racist state, when the Security Council routinely passes resolutions (that are vetoed by the US) that condemn only Israel for the violence, one knows that there is no hope for peace. |
As I'm sure you are well aware, the UN GA votes are passed by the simple majority of votes from all countries. Arabs (and even more so all Muslims), as you also know very well, have many countries, so the majority isn't hard to get there.
And the European countries would rather officially support the Palestenians here, at least by UN votes, because they don't wan to piss off a billion of Muslims. |
By this logic, the Europeans (ignoring their role in the creating the reason Israel exists) would support rescinding the legal status of Israel as a state, and restoring the whole of Palestine to a single, Arab-dominated authority, because that is what the world of Islams wants.
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Apolyton Duke Of Something
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Latvia, Riga
Sep 2000
time: 07:33
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By this logic, the Europeans (ignoring their role in the creating the reason Israel exists) would support rescinding the legal status of Israel as a state, and restoring the whole of Palestine to a single, Arab-dominated authority, because that is what the world of Islams wants. |
No. Firstly, that, unlike simply voicing support for Palestenians, would be some very active action. Let's face it, currently the Europeans are scratching their butts, simply condemning Israeli actions time to time, and condemning the bigger of suicide blasts. A pretty passive position, actually. While being openly against Israel can also anger USA, which is after all allied with Israel. Much better for France and the like to basically do nothing, strain relationships with Israel a little bit, but not present themselves as a jihad target - that's better than either supporting the Arab world and likely pissing the US off, or supporting Israel and pissing the Arabs off...
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Nov 2001
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I dare you to show me where in the Israeli law it says that PM/President got to be orthodox, or Jewish (by religion) at all. |
BUt what about Jewish by 'blood' ?(given how many Israelis termed Jews are not overtly religious).
Maybe is just me, but if large chuncks of Israel are off limits to non-Jewish ownership [A Jewish foundation holds in trust most of the land taken from Palestinians, and it is open solely for development by Jews], if for example all Israelis are drafted into the IDF, save the ones classified as Arabs (the Druze go in, but not Arabs), even if in thoery it is not ilegal for an Arab to be PM, stating they are euqal citizens in all respects is absurd.
In 1960 it was not illegal for a black man to be governor of Alabama. Do you think it possible though? Or that the lack of such a law showed there to be equality? NO, thngs in Israel are not AS bad for an Arab as for a Black man in the south in 1960..and agian, that does not mena inequality does not exist.
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Ned.
If it makes you feel any better I will admit that I am in fact not German. Although there is German blood in me, as well as Celtic and Jewish, and my tribe should appropriatly be under the Greater Germanic Reich had the evil Anglo-Saxons not conspired against us.
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When have the Anglo-Saxons conspired against Germany? |
Well, take a history book from the hayday of the British Empire, say Harmsworth History of the World published in 1907, and compare it to Mein Kampf. They are remarkably similar. Remember that Hess was born in Egypt, and then consider that he helped Hitler write his book in prison. Clearly Hess was an English double agent working for British counter intelligence. The aim was to lure Germany away from the communist menace thereatening the Weimar republic, through the use of Hitler. Also note that the Nazi Party was partially funded by British high finance. Also the crisis sparked by Roosevelts decision to unilaterally impose tariffs in 1931 greatly exaggereated the economic crisis in Germany, dependent on exports as it were. Subsequent to Hitlers takeover the American big industry moves in, IBM and General Motors amongst them, and offers lucrative contracts to the Nazi party. Voila, a classic black intelligence operation.
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Tripledoc
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Actually I think the decision to exterminate the Jews was probably not a part of the initial plan. The concept of putting them in to camps was probably considered very early, based on the succesful British experiment during the Boer War. My theory on the reasons behind the outright extermination is that it was done to prevent food shortages. These were endemic in Europe and the whole British Empire prior to the war. In fact the well known British fascist Oswald Moseley wrote a tract were he accused the British government of deliberately causing starvation in the Empire to satisfy European demands. Also it is well to remember that the only long lasting result of the war which has any significance for the daily lives of Europeans today is the Common Agricultural Policy of the EU securing a safe and steady food supply through subsidies.
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:33
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Can you say nothing constructive?
I found it significant -- I picked up on it as soon as I read it, and that is what it was saying to me. I found it chilling that such ignorance could be found in such a place of power.
It's would be like saying, after an earthquake in San Diego, that we would welcome help from anywhere -- except from those filthy Mexicans. |
Guess what Mexico did offer to help an we turn them down by saying we didnot need help from a third world nation.
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Originally posted by Tripledoc
Well, take a history book from the hayday of the British Empire, say Harmsworth History of the World published in 1907, and compare it to Mein Kampf. They are remarkably similar. Remember that Hess was born in Egypt, and then consider that he helped Hitler write his book in prison. Clearly Hess was an English double agent working for British counter intelligence. The aim was to lure Germany away from the communist menace thereatening the Weimar republic, through the use of Hitler. Also note that the Nazi Party was partially funded by British high finance. Also the crisis sparked by Roosevelts decision to unilaterally impose tariffs in 1931 greatly exaggereated the economic crisis in Germany, dependent on exports as it were. Subsequent to Hitlers takeover the American big industry moves in, IBM and General Motors amongst them, and offers lucrative contracts to the Nazi party. Voila, a classic black intelligence operation. |
One big error FDR wasnot president of the USA untril 1933.
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03-01-2004 03:56
. Labeling a state as a 'Jewish state' and then saying it isn't racist is like labeling the state relgion in the US to be Anglicanism and then saying it conforms to free exercise. 
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