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Alex
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Brasil
Mar 1999
time: 02:33
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From BBC:
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Rio starts ID checks on US flyers
US travellers will face tough immigration checks in Brazil
Police in Brazil's tourism capital have begun photographing and fingerprinting all US visitors arriving at its main international airport.
The security measure extends a law passed by a Brazilian federal judge on Thursday to check all incoming US citizens at Sao Paulo airport.
The judge's order is in response to a US announcement that it would be vetting visitors from many countries.
But Rio's mayor says the extra checks will damage Brazil's tourist industry.
Brazil's Federal Public Ministry filed a complaint in a federal court over the US immigration measures, arguing its citizens were being unfairly discriminated against and urging the US to remove Brazil from its list of security threats.
Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva agreed, saying "I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis. "
The US-VISIT security system - to be introduced on Monday - hopes to identify travellers who have violated immigration controls, have criminal records or belong to groups listed as terrorist organisations by the US.
Some see the decision by Brazil to counteract the US security procedure with its own law as a ***-for-tat response.
US travellers in Rio have expressed mixed views over Brazil's decision to vet them.
"I am sympathetic with Brazil," one US tourist said.
"I am in disagreement with my government for making people pay a lot for a visa, making them get fingerprinted and stamped. If Brazil does it, I understand."
Others were frustrated by the digital divide between the two countries.
"Ours is all electronic scanning, in and out in a heartbeat," US traveller Lorin Hall said.
"Here, it's 15 to 20 minutes per person with only one person working."
There are also fears in Brazil the move could affect tourism during the upcoming carnival season in Rio.
Carlos Alberto Ferreira from the Brazilian Association of Travel Agencies said: " This is not good for the city nor the state."
"I think the Brazilian Government needs to express to the US Government that Brazilians are suffering with their restrictions in American airports but we shouldn't be doing this in retaliation."
The US said it would watch the new Brazilian rules closely, but stressed that it was the country's right to impose such requirements. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3366519.stm
Somehow, it is a childish act of retribution, but what the US is doing is horrible too. 
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:33
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I don't have any problem with Brazil doing this. You set the rules for entry into your country, and I don't think it's humiliating, unreasonable, or damaging at all for fingerprints and a picture. Perhaps you could work on your system to make it more efficient, though, as the one traveller suggested.
I seriously doubt that the message received by the US will be the message that is intended, however. But hey, whatever makes y'all feel better.
Last edited by DanS on 05-01-2004 at 00:16
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:33
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If Brazil government was formed of intelligent people they wouldn't do this. Assuming they achieve what they want (that no more Americans travel to their country) it will only result in economic losses, because the main purpose they travel there for is tourism.
By the way: Accusing the ones who freed Europe from nazism of being nazis is a bit too much in my opinion...
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:33
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Originally posted by DanS
I seriously doubt that the message received by the US will be the message that is intended, however. |
I seriously doubt they are sending any message to the US. The message I see is something like "look what the terrible Americans are doing to us". They are just inventing something else to blame Americans for.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:33
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Sava - quote:
he's right
the difference between Nazi Germany and America is very small... both are corporatist states... it's only that Hitler wanted to kill everyone else... the elite in America would rather have economic slavery. |
Well, since both were/are "corporatist states" obviously bent on "economic slavery", you must believe mass murder is an insignificant detail. Nice to see your new years resolution wasn't getting a thinking cap. 
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Sure, the Nazis were a more brutal form of evil... but when American apologists say to themselves... WELL WE AREN'T AS BAD AS THE NAZIS... don't you think there is a problem? |
This judge didn't say anything about the US being Nazi-like because of it's economic system. He's claiming the US is Nazi-like because of a security measure to identify certain visitors during a war and you're claiming he is right, but instead of defending his idiocy, you've started singing your own loony tune.
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The one parrallel between Nazi Germany and America that is extremely disturbing... is the apparant self-assurance the general population has that they are good people. While the majority of individual Americans, even most conservatives are probably good people, they are completely ignorant of what their corrupt elitist politicians' policies actually do to the rest of the world... and the less fortunate IN America. |
We're largely ignorant because (shock) our leaders don't want us to know what they've been doing in our name, but how is that any different than other countries? On the other hand, can you name one country with the comparative power held by the US that has shown such restraint wrt foreign policy? Hell, the US has liberated dozens of countries in the last 60 years... Do you want to blame the corporations for that too?
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:33
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If I remember correctly, we are talking about a country who stayed in Germany and Japan after defeating their governments in WW2. They didn't have any obligation to stay. They could just have said "ok, they were the ones who provoked the problem, they have to get out of it themselves". But instead of that they helped bringing democratic regimes to Japan and Germany and boosting their economy. Japan is by no doubts among the best economies in the world and Germany is not doing bad either despite the problems they are having lately. Definitely that's what a nazi country would do, help their enemies after defeating them.
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04-01-2004 23:08
America = Nazis is one of the dumbest arguments a person could make. Hell why don't we start calling France nazi-like because they are banning religious symbols in schools, or Britain nazi-like because of their hand gun laws? The only problem with "WELL WE AREN'T AS BAD AS THE NAZIS" is that someone bothered to answer the question. 
restraint? 
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