06-01-2004 09:48									#61
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Not Hardly. Each missle can leave a footprint 50 miles wide by 200 miles long. With corresponding radioactive damage an Ohio could make China pretty sparsley populated pretty quick.

"Footprint" is not the same as complete depopulation.

	06-01-2004 09:51									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Throw me in with all the Canucks clamouring for Canada. Also when you are considering the population of India and China. you have to remember the distribution. Population is not dispersed equally across China or India, but clumps in the cities. If you targetted just the cities you could take out a large propoartion of the population of either China or India. Oh, and before I forget, I like the sig Cockney.

I'm clamouring against it, actually.

quote: 9. Isreal International influence

What international influence?

	06-01-2004 09:53									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph 20 tubes each sub. Each missile carries 10 warheads, 2 ktl each. Used your math. 200 hundred warhead per boat. I will stay with my exaggerated quote.

2 Kilotons is beans. 200 warhead times 2 kilotons is 400 kilotons.

	06-01-2004 09:53									#64
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Germany and Japan have much larger economies than the UK. France (I think) is slightly larger.

California is number 6 in the world.
So the USA is no. 1, who is no. 2, 3, 4, and 5.

	06-01-2004 09:53									#65
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse France (I think) is slightly larger.

Not anymore. Since a few years, that's UK #4, and France #5. But both economies are very close to each other.

	06-01-2004 09:54									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Population is not dispersed equally across China or India, but clumps in the cities. If you targetted just the cities you could take out a large proportion of the population of either China or India.

I don't know about India, but at least 60% of the population in China are in rural areas.

	06-01-2004 09:55									#67
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quote: I'm clamouring against it, actually.

Well, it's obvious you're masquerading as a Canadian. You'll need to turn in your toque and stick.

	06-01-2004 09:55									#68
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Spiffor is correct: People are overrating China in ranking of World Powers. China is strong in East Asia, but has little influence in the rest of the world. There really aren't too many nations capable of truly projecting power on a global scale nowadays. I'd say

1) USA
2) UK
3) France
4) Russia
5) China
6) Japan(Would be alot higher if this country had more political will to excercise power)
7) Germany(Military still too land based, becoming basically puppet of France)
8) Italy
9) Netherlands
10) Canada

	06-01-2004 09:56									#69
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I'm clamouring against it, actually. quote: 9. Isreal International influence What international influence?

You know the one that all the Arabs listen to

	06-01-2004 10:02									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph California is number 6 in the world. So the USA is no. 1, who is no. 2, 3, 4, and 5.

Huh?

a) California is a lot lower than 6. Closer to 10 (its economy is a similar size to that of Canada)
b) It doesn't count as #6 because it's not a separate country.

The world's largest economies (in order, and guessing)

1) USA
2) China
3) Japan
4) India
5) Germany
6) France
7) Russia
8) Italy
9) Canada (?) Korea (?)

	06-01-2004 10:04									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Spiffor is correct: People are overrating China in ranking of World Powers. China is strong in East Asia, but has little influence in the rest of the world. There really aren't too many nations capable of truly projecting power on a global scale nowadays. I'd say 1) USA 2) UK 3) France 4) Russia 5) China 6) Japan(Would be alot higher if this country had more political will to excercise power) 7) Germany(Military still too land based, becoming basically puppet of France) 8) Italy 9) Netherlands 10) Canada

Netherlands? Huh? You mean the one with all the windmills?



EDIT: The population of the Netherlands is something like half of Canada's, and their economic output per capita is probably similar or slightly lower. Unless you're claiming they spend twice as much as percentage of their GDP as we do (which would put them at US funding levels, something very few Euro nations are) then they have a smaller military...

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Not anymore. Since a few years, that's UK #4, and France #5. But both economies are very close to each other.

According to the CIA World Fantasybook, France's is slightly larger than the UK's, whcih is no indication of reality of course.

They have been historically very similar in size, yes.

	06-01-2004 10:07									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master You know the one that all the Arabs listen to

Even if they did, that's still only regional influence...

Israel is tiny. It looms large in the ME because all the other actors are pathetic...

	06-01-2004 10:08									#74
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Actually we're 5th, thank you very much

Greater Los Angeles is 12 just by itself

	06-01-2004 10:11									#75
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse 1) USA 2) China 3) Japan 4) India 5) Germany 6) France 7) Russia 8) Italy 9) Canada (?) Korea (?)

More precisely, you should see here and here
I was wrong on China's GDP, it is almost as high as France's and UK's and already bigger than Italy's. In PPP terms, China is second, with half us GDP.

	06-01-2004 10:15									#76
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Bullshit.



Go look up the numbers. California outputs about a trillion dollars a year.

US as whole is 10 trillion
China is 5-6 trillion
Japan is 3.5 trillion
Germany is 2 trillion
France, UK, Italy, Russia are all in 1.4-1.6 trillion range

EDIT: this is for ted

	06-01-2004 10:16									#77
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Are we not using PPP? That could change things....

	06-01-2004 10:20									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi 2) UK

Again, where does the UK have diplomatic influence? It's not even top-tier in the EU...

	06-01-2004 10:25									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Again, where does the UK have diplomatic influence? It's not even top-tier in the EU...

UK is influential in its former colonies, it is influencial around the world in terms of investment, it is associated with all EU military initiatives (surprisingly), and it is probably the only country that has a marginal influence on Washington's decisions, making UK effectively "first mate" in the US-led world.

France has similar qualities, but has an autonomous foreign policy, and has much more leverage in Europe due to its alliance with Germany. Both countries are competing for the same economical-diplomatic rank. But in the end, they'll become irrelevant as China and India rise (and Russia comes back from the dead), and they'll need to work together to rise to power status again.

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UK has a much greater diplo influence than any euro country other than France.

Nobody wonders what Germany or Italy will think. People do wonder what France and the UK will think.

Actually, a lot more people care what the UK thinks than what China thinks.

	06-01-2004 10:28									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Again, where does the UK have diplomatic influence? It's not even top-tier in the EU...

Commonwealth nations.

	06-01-2004 10:35									#82
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Actually, a lot more people care what the UK thinks than what China thinks.

You sure? There are a lot of people in China and India.

	06-01-2004 10:36									#83
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All the lovely pink bits. Those are us. Enough lovely pink bits in fact, to be able to tell the Germans to stuff it when no one else was left who cared or could do anything about it.

	06-01-2004 10:36									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Commonwealth nations.

Most Commonwealth nations were against the invasion of Iraq, though.

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1) USA
2-5) China, France, Russia, UK (in no particular order, except for the alphabetical one)
6) Germany
7) Japan
No one else deserves to be in the top ten.

	06-01-2004 10:38									#86
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One Flag, One Fleet, One Empire!

	06-01-2004 10:39									#87
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quote: India

Strange Queen Victoria would be the Empress of India, eh? India's a part of the Commonwealth.

	06-01-2004 10:40									#88
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither One Flag, One Fleet, One Empire!

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As for Canadians not stepping up for the Yanks in Iraq, we tend to blame French influence.

	06-01-2004 10:42									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Most Commonwealth nations were against the invasion of Iraq, though.

We leave the old bird to go her own way. We turn up when the issue is important.

The Aussies are having a problem with the apron strings though. They seem to have gotten them entangled with that strange uncle.