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of the Krauts
Mar 2000
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[SIZE=1] Originally posted by lord of the mark
with all due respect to our gallant British allies, they have sent about one division to the ME, with logistical support from the US, via friendly Kuwait. I assume China could do the same, if they chose. Indeed, by that standard Romania, Bulgaria, Spain, Dominican Republic, etc can all move at least some units around. I assume that was is meant by force projection is the ability to move ones own troops around without logistical support from allies, and where necessary via air drop or amphibious landing without assistance from any local state. UK and France may have that ability, but its not large scale, and not all that politically important. |
The point is that the UK and France have proven that they can project their force, but in case of China we rely on speculations.
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Yup, China lost to NVA, who, at the time, were considered among the best infantry in the world. And who relied on the economic and logistic support of the SU, a superpower. The threat presented by China is a principle motive for VN's reconciliation with the US, yet one more example of Chinas importance in the Pacific sphere. |
It was a very short campaign, so I think outside support hadn´t played the big role there. The main reason for the Chinese failure were the bad preparations on their side. IIRC they did not even use airpower to support the attack.
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Comrade Tassadar
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confusing.
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el freako
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Bristol, European Union
Oct 1999
time: 05:33
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Originally posted by Joseph
I was wrong, We are number 5 instead. California can kick some a$$.  |
Not really, first off the data is 2 years old and heavily skewed by the fact that it is converted using exchange rates (and the dollar was massively overvalued in 2001).
Here is the data for 2003 (estimates):
1st United States: $10,980bn
2nd Japan: $4,320bn
3rd Germany: $2,410bn
4th Britian: $1,800bn
5th France: $1,750bn
6th China: $1,570bn*
7th California: $1,480bn
8th Italy: $1,470bn
9th Canada: $860bn
10th Spain: $830bn
*including Hong Kong
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Oncle Boris
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by C0ckney
we all know france and germany run the EU, that's never been in question, but why does that matter? the EU is not (and (hopefully) will never be) a state. in the world at large britain has more influence than france, and certainly far more than china. this is by virtue of the fact we used to own rather a lot of it 
france might be trying to frustrate US policy but the cold war is over. there are no longer two blocks opposing each other, the world is led by america, more or less and however much you may dislike this, it's simply the way it is.
you assertion that the UK is 'dead' is just idiotic. |
Most of Europe is dead- I did not only mean UK, but France too. Their relative power can only decline. When Asia truly rises, in 50-100 years, most countries in Europe will be insignificant, minor powers.
I don't think the UK has more influence in its former colonies than France has- mainly because UK's influence is limited to the retarded Africa, as is France's. UK's true jewels- Canada and India- don't care much about them anymore. But since the question was about power, which includes influence, my point was that France has more experience and more successes in bringing other countries with them against the US block in diplomatic talks. The UK's ability to discuss with Germany or Russia, for now at least, is limited, because of their 'duty' towards America.
Say what you wish, but I don't believe my reasoning to be idiotic.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:33
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and Japan is irrelevant politically
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Joins Lord of the Mark in Laughing at muxec's Post
What have you been smoking Muxec?
First off Japan has a smaller Population, Economy and Military then the US. Second off they have a major regional Rival (China) and much of the region still hates them for the atrocites comited in WWII. And it even lacks a Nuclear arsenal (as far as we know). If by stable you ment stagnent then Yes your correct. And what do you base them being ahead tecnologicaly on, simply the fact they make/use more consumer electronics?
As for Isreal, its the largest Drain on US influence at the monement, both Financialy and Diplomaticaly the US gives Isreal Huge support and recives basicaly nothing in return. If you want to consider the US to be a "partner" with anyone it would have to be with Canada and to a lesser extenet Mexico and several Central American Countries. These are both Hugly more helpfull to the US economy and world influence then Isreal is. I cant even imagine what your statment on surviving Terroism means.
Muslim Countries are not united as should be obvious, the consept of Pan-Arabism has waned quite a bit from the high of the 80's but even then it was never an atempt to fuse all thouse states into something new, rather a movment to act coperativly. Far less ambitious then the changes taking place in the EU. The only solidarity that Arab Countries display is in intermitent OPEC gouging and Condeming Isreal all the time, besides that their at each others throats all the time. They have no power Projection Capability and are light years behind tecnologicaly and culturaly. Only Iran has real Potential due to their Higly westernized Culture (Thanky you Ataturk!). Only their hated theocratic goverment holds them back but I predict this will in the next 2 Decades and their will be a Massive realignment to a VERY pro-US goverment, it will be a if the Sha had never been deposed.
Russian Economic statistics though perhaps not the most acurate in the world are still correct in showing that their on a rebound after suffering massive economic Implosions assosiated with the Fall of the Soviet Union and various scandels and market panics that followed. Their intilectual Capital is likly whats going to bail them out if they can use it before it drains away. Russias shrinking population will never be large enough to even Rival the rest of Europe let alone the US. Only their Nuclear arsenal and influence with other Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe (and anyone who still thinks the USSR was a good thing) keep them on the Global Power chart. In reality their far worse off then say Brazil or Australia. |
I agree with you that muxecs statement about japan was particularly silly, and the muslim world is not a united power, my disagreement with him about Israel is that it is a seperate power and does not act as extension of the US. I dont want this threadjacked into another discussion of Israel, but lets point out that US aid to Israel is relatively small (regular annual aid is $3 billion, and has been stable for over 20 years) and is mainly spent on US produced armaments. Diplomatically is at least arguable - varies with Israeli admin, the state of the peace process, etc. Lets not be so short sighted as to consider the situation of the last 3 years the entire relationship. And there are many offsetting factors, which i will not go into to keep this on topic.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:33
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so how good is Germany nowadays?
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:33
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Thank you Atagerm.
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