08-01-2004 09:29									#1
	Resignation Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I am very angry at the moment.

I am angry with the people who have led this game, myself included, for having not recognised enough the contributions of everyone who has played a part. Part of my anger rests in slights I perceived going back to the first, great, SPDG. People who contributed a great deal were ignored by those who ran things in chat, or so it seemed to me.

I have had a problem with the extent that things in chat determine what happens in this game. Important things have been decided in chat, and very little of it has hit the forum in some cases. Some of those things were serious, some of them less so.

City names are less serious, but are again an issue. Perhaps I am too thin skinned. That is very possible. If that is the case then I really do not belong here, because frivolity among the leaders usually ends up as a priority somewhere along the way. To be honest, I have seen quite enough banana plantations for my liking, while other people who have contributed are ignored.

I do not want to stick around and ***** and moan about it. I recognise now that this must be the nature of these things. Therefore, as of now I resign from this team. MZ can finish out my term as Consul and then assume his own.

Good luck in the rest of the game.

	08-01-2004 10:14									#2
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Darn it. As agreed in chat, we will handle this issue here.

It is my sincere hope that you reconsider your decision to leave the team over this issue and participate in this discussion on an issue you are obviously quite passionate about.

	08-01-2004 10:16									#3
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NYE, I hope you are kidding about this!

This seems very unlike you, we will work something out.

	08-01-2004 10:19									#4
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He's left the CivGroup.

	08-01-2004 10:27									#5
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Um? I have no idea what to say. This is just weird.

--Togas

	08-01-2004 10:31									#6
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Any chance the log of the chat can be posted ?
(Just a link to an uploaded .txt file would work)

	08-01-2004 11:00									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Trip He's left the CivGroup.

He left the new C3C IDG group as well, he JUST joined.

Something deeper is going on here...........

	08-01-2004 11:07									#8
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Panag assumed his identity....

Seriously though, something else must be happening in his life for him to sound off like this. He'll be welcomed back at any time as far as I'm concerned.

	08-01-2004 11:32									#9
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Someone care to fill us non-chatters as to what happened here?

I'm sad to see nye go, especially in such an abrupt way and over what seems to be a petty issue. There must be more here than meets the eye.


Dominae

	08-01-2004 11:52									#10
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Dominae: Those of us in chat were thinking the same thing. However, noone seems to know anything.

quote: [20:39]*notyoueither* i have been trying to use old, old posters from poly as workers [20:39]*notyoueither* or ot posters. get some work out of them [20:39]*notyoueither* that is what i have been doing [20:39]*Arnelos* ah [20:40]*Arnelos* wondered where these names came from [20:40]*notyoueither* in case anyone cares to continue [20:40]*roadcage* City "X" ?? [20:40]*notyoueither* place holder, rc [20:40]*notyoueither* needs a real name [20:40]*Trip* it should be "Dominus" [20:40]*Arnelos* another banana name [20:40]*Trip* that was going to be its name a long time ago [20:40]*notyoueither* before we build 25 more [20:40]*Arnelos* perfect location [20:40]*Arnelos* Chiquita for one, another banana name for the other [20:41]*Trip* Del Monte :P [20:41]*notyoueither* don;t we have enough bananas? [20:41]*Trip* but yes [20:41]*notyoueither* dominus is good [20:41]*Trip* Banana this, Banana that :P [20:41]*Trip* we named the city Dominus a long time ago [20:41]*Arnelos* Del Monte! [20:41]*roadcage* Plantion [20:42]*Arnelos* bah, we can name cities cool names in the south where our new capital will be [20:42]*Arnelos* in the jungle, banana names! [20:42]*notyoueither* *Trip* we named the city Dominus a long time ago [20:42]*Arnelos* um... not that I recall [20:42]*notyoueither* That will be a great city, in the future [20:42]*notyoueither* there was discussion of it, arne [20:42]*Trip* Arnelos: it was before your time [20:42]*Arnelos* all the better to remember our Great Banana heritage by! [20:42]*notyoueither* what about our players? [20:43]*Arnelos* hmm... we could use the SPDG method... give each person a city to name as they please... of course, too many players and not enough cities [20:43]*notyoueither* yes. [20:43]*notyoueither* **** that [20:43]*notyoueither* i never got one, did you know that? [20:43]*Arnelos* lol [20:43]*Arnelos* you were a justice [20:43]*notyoueither* i asked, and i asked. i never got one [20:44]*notyoueither* so stuff that cliquy method [20:44]*Arnelos* well... we have a settler named "NYE Kicks Ass" [20:44]*Arnelos* have a preference on the city he builds? ;p [20:44]*Trip* haha [20:44]*notyoueither* that was mz. he asked. i said 'nye sucks' would frowned upon [20:45]*Arnelos* heh [20:45]*Arnelos* bah, we'll hold a poll [20:45]*notyoueither* good idea [20:46]*Arnelos* I'll go start a thread on naming cities once this chat is over [20:46]*conmcb25_gaming* Where is that commie MZ anyway, is he still sick? [20:46]*notyoueither* ****in banaa plantations everywhere and ignoring people who did good things for the game [20:46]*Arnelos* lol [20:46]*notyoueither* yes. i was pissed off about it, btw [20:47]*roadcage* careful there, the Great Banana hears all and sees all [20:47]*notyoueither* let him bite me [20:47]*conmcb25_gaming* Hey Im happy with a Knight named after me [20:47]*Arnelos* Sir conMcKnight! [20:47]*notyoueither* i guess more pissed off than i realised [20:47]*roadcage* And I can't wait to be upgraded to a Guerilla! [20:47]*Arnelos* lol [20:47]*notyoueither* after asking 10 times, i gave up [20:47]*notyoueither* ignored. [20:47]*notyoueither* ignored [20:47]*notyoueither* ignored [20:48]*notyoueither* ignored [20:48]*Arnelos* you were a justice... it was in your job description to just sit down and shut up, right? [20:48]*conmcb25_gaming* Geez and I thought it was BigFree we all didn't loke [20:48]*notyoueither* good way to encourage participation... [20:48]*Arnelos* well, you WERE a justice ;p [20:48]*WIA_working_AFK* You didn't get one? [20:48]*notyoueither* so ****ing what? [20:49]*Arnelos* CHIEF justice, no less... which means your repsonsible to just shut up and let the children make the decisions was even more important! [20:49]*notyoueither* i also ran the plan that saved the ****ing game for us! [20:49]*WIA_working_AFK* **** - I got two - and when I wasn't there either.... [20:49]*Trip* *ahem* [20:49]*Trip* there's a turn to be played [20:49]*Arnelos* well, to be finished playing [20:49]*notyoueither* actually, arne. i am pissed off on this topic. you can see that, yes? [20:49]*WIA_working_AFK* You deserved at least one - you invented Case Pink that I screwed up! [20:49]*Arnelos* doing that again [20:49]*Arnelos* NYE - sorry for needling you, then [20:50]*Arnelos* _4back to the turn (Discussion about the turn) [20:52] * notyoueither goes quiet and looks for his mellow pills, or a least a small dog as a snack [20:52]*Togas* next turn we'll see if they drop through our territory [20:52] * WIA_working_AFK opens an SPDG save and renames every city 'NYE Memorial #1, #2... [20:53] * WIA_working_AFK is now known as WIA [20:53]*notyoueither* 1 would have be enough, dubya [20:53]*Arnelos* _12What is the placeholder name for New Apolyton? [20:53]*notyoueither* i guess my point is... [20:53] * Arnelos laughs his ass off at WIA's comment [20:53]*notyoueither* our leaders should not ignore tyhe players and people who have contributed for frivolity [20:54]*notyoueither* it pisses some people off [20:54]*Arnelos* I say vote on it [20:54]*roadcage* how about "Y" [20:54]*Arnelos* heh [20:54]*Trip* why do we need a placeholder name? [20:54]*notyoueither* aren, do you really think so little of what dominae did for us that you are willing to ignore it to spam our ****ing map? [20:55]*notyoueither* tyhis is actually serious, now [20:55]*Arnelos* I think a city named Dominus would be AWESOME [20:55]*roadcage* I guess I never should have mentioned city "X" [20:55]*Arnelos* but is the "X" location the right one? [20:56]*notyoueither* it was discussed [20:56]*notyoueither* and agreed on [20:56]*Arnelos* really? [20:56]*notyoueither* yes [20:56]*Arnelos* I honestly have to confess that I'm not aware of this [20:56]*notyoueither* as trip and i both pointed out [20:56]*Arnelos* when was it discussed... I'm willing to rename the city if it was, that's fine [20:56]*notyoueither* and anyways... [20:57]*notyoueither* just another banana plantation would nto be a good solution, imo [20:57]*Arnelos* point is... if I'm not aware of it, I'm probably no the only one... a public discussion about how to name cities in the FUTURE needs to happen [20:57]*WIA* Ah hell - it was during one of MY terms a city was renamed Chiquita.... MY FIRST! [20:57]*notyoueither* dubya, i am not knocking chiquita [20:57]*notyoueither* i am trying to advise against too much of it [20:57]*Arnelos* we have a lot of cities to name in the near future and we need a method for doing so that enough people are reasonably happy with [20:58]*Arnelos* I'm not seeing a problem with just leaving placeholders for now (X, Y if need be) and starting a thread on the subject [20:58]*notyoueither* ok [20:58]*Arnelos* but if the city "X" was AGREED to be "Dominus" for sure, we can go ahead and name that one [20:58]*WIA* Sounds good ARn, I will reserve my comments for the thread [20:59]*Arnelos* I think Dominus will likely be a city name SOMEWHERE regardless [20:59]*Arnelos* as it damn well should be [20:59]*roadcage* we really do need to found the city of furs to prevent disorder [20:59]*notyoueither* it is supposed to be a good city, arne. not soime corrupt pile of **** [20:59]*Arnelos* ok [21:00]*notyoueither* that is what dominae asked for. one of the only things he did ask for [21:00]*Arnelos* well, let's let people discuss that, then. I'm thinking a location either at "X" or near the new capital (on the good land down there) would be good [21:01]*Trip* we can wait for Dominus [21:01]*Arnelos* ok, moving on with the settler moves [21:01]*Arnelos* _12still need a placeholder for New Apolyton, unless we want to go ahead and call it New Apolyton [21:01]*Trip* just name it that [21:01]*notyoueither* y [21:02]*notyoueither* hmmm, i thoought that one had some discussion too. i guess i was dreaming [21:02]*notyoueither* never mind. i was never here [21:03]*Trip* whenever there is a discussion about city names, a couple people contribute a few names and that's all that happens [21:04]*Trip* there's a "list" but no discussion takes place, and no official decisions are made [21:04]*roadcage* I can accept anything but "goats" [21:04]*Arnelos* lol [21:05]*Trip* I see no problem in giving our new capital its proper name now [21:05]*Nuclear_Winter* but our goats ARE trained 2 kill! [21:05]*Trip* CFC is the only one who can threaten it, and I doubt they will jump at the bit simply due to a city name [21:05]*notyoueither* right, trip. it is your show to run now. i am finished [21:05]*Arnelos* did we want to name it specifically "New Apolyton" or something like Elucidium Novum-like? [21:06]*roadcage* Nuevo Apolyton Grande [21:06]*Arnelos* what is the name of New Carthage, again? [21:06]*Arnelos* Carthago Novum or something like that? [21:06]*Trip* Carthago Nova [21:06]*Arnelos* ah, right [21:06]*Trip* I don't really like the Nov-stuff though [21:06]*Arnelos* I'm not familiar with the Latin grammar, though [21:06] * Sharpe-away has left #apolytonisdg [21:07]*Trip* Apolyton Nova or Apolyton Novum doesn't have the same flare as simply New Apolyton [21:07]*Trip* but that's just what I think [21:07]*Nuclear_Winter* Apolytium [21:07]*Nuclear_Winter* [21:07]*Arnelos* bah [21:07]*Arnelos* New Apolyton works [21:08]*Trip* hehe [21:08]*Arnelos* agreed? [21:08]*Trip* sounds great to me [21:09] * Arnelos was tempted to name the new city "sowhoisinchargeofcitynames" [21:09]*Arnelos* _4New Apolyton founded [21:09] * Trip starts up parade [21:10]*Arnelos* lol [21:10]*Arnelos* the Star Wars: ANH victory music just came up on my playlist [21:10]*Arnelos* rather good timing [21:10]*Trip* hehe [21:11]*Arnelos* _4new settler named "Builders Rule" [21:11]*Arnelos* (for now) [21:12]*Arnelos* _4end of turn thingie appears (18 more minutes of turn being played with nothing said by NYE or anyone else on the issue) [21:30]*notyoueither* bye [21:30] * notyoueither has left #ApolytonISDG

	08-01-2004 12:32									#11
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from a lurker:

	08-01-2004 15:13									#12
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Referring to an earlier post, the new capital was proposed to be called N.Y.E.D.C in honour of nye's contibution to the ISDG.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...369#post2527369

I do not understand why it is not named as such.

Let's honour nye and get him to rejoin the game.

	08-01-2004 17:54									#13
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Yeah this is not like NYE at all, I dunno maybe he feels a bit pushed out of things by the regular chatters....

Anyway concerning SPDG city naming, thats all in the past now, and doesn't need to be brought up all the time... There were issues/fiascos but it should all be forgotten about

Also "WhoIsInCharge..." city was only so named briefly and was as much GF's fault as mine.

Also I vaugely remember NYE naming the city of Gaia, he was going to name it NotHereEither but people grew tired of cities named after people after "Timeline City"....
I could be wrong though.

	08-01-2004 20:30									#14
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Woah, that was bizzare.



NYE was a major part of GS, and is no longer. NYE was a huge part of this team, and is no longer. Damn.

I'm tired of losing good people to things other than real-life needs (this is mainly a GS issue). *sigh*

-Arrian

Last edited by Arrian on 08-01-2004 at 20:36

	08-01-2004 21:41									#15
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I have had a problem with the extent that things in chat determine what happens in this game. Important things have been decided in chat, and very little of it has hit the forum in some cases. Some of those things were serious, some of them less so.

This is why I was trying to get some form of position set up, to help with this. TO post logs, to summerize things discussed in chat and to post threads about issues that need further discussion in the forums.

Just saying that we all need to do more work (i.e. posting more in the forum) isn't going to make it happen. Not with RL having hanging over us all, everyday.

I, for one, am asking for help along this line.

E_T

	09-01-2004 01:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by rush Referring to an earlier post, the new capital was proposed to be called N.Y.E.D.C in honour of nye's contibution to the ISDG. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...369#post2527369 I do not understand why it is not named as such. Let's honour nye and get him to rejoin the game.

Really? My apologies for not realizing that. Why didn't anyone bring that up in chat? I certainly didn't know about it.

	09-01-2004 01:37									#17
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Unfortunately I'm not sure if anyone in chat remembered it. I didn't until Rush brought it up.

	09-01-2004 03:29									#18
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NYE has requested, and been granted, re-authorization to the ISDG forum.

	09-01-2004 03:32									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Beta NYE has requested, and been granted, re-authorization to the ISDG forum.

Good!

	09-01-2004 04:16									#20
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I would like to apologise for making a scene with my hissy fit. At one time I had an extremely bad temper which took me some time to learn how to control. Last night it reemerged and my control slipped. Hense this thread, for which I apologise.

However, I do not apologise for being unhappy about the issue underlying my outburst. To me, the real issue is not whether some city or unit somewhere bears my name, what got me cooking was an honour for someone else actually. The real issue, which I did not communicate clearly in my anger is people being ignored when they are not regulars of chat.

Ignored is not the proper word, for it is too strong, but overlooked is certainly too weak. That was the point of my bringing up that other game.

Perhaps it is I who is wrong on this point. Perhaps the people in chat should do as they see fit without regard for those who are not so chatty (if I may exaggerate a bit). However, I do not think that is a satisfactory way to run a forum based democracy. Rather, I think it behooves our leaders to make extra efforts to think of and to listen to all our members and to try to accomodate as many as possible.

I will leave you with those thoughts, and once again I apologise for the unpleasantness I have caused. I would like to thank the people who sent me very kind PMs, and especially the fellow who practically dared me to be big enough to return and act like I deserve the respect that many of you have shown to me (not his exact words, but that is the meaning I got).

	09-01-2004 04:19									#21
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Welcome back, nye! (Now where's that tiger-smiley I saw used a couple of days ago...? Oh well.)

	09-01-2004 07:40									#22
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Thank you, Dominae.

	09-01-2004 11:23									#23
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Thanks for coming back nye, we really do need you here.

	09-01-2004 12:41									#24
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Yay, daddy back in town!



Now, what's the code for that lovely tiger smiley... :nye: :notyoueither: ... ...doesn't work. Yet. Must PM Markos to fix it.

I could use just smileys on nye day then...

	09-01-2004 17:59									#25
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Now, what's the code for that lovely tiger smiley... :nye: :notyoueither: ... ...doesn't work. Yet. Must PM Markos to fix it. I could use just smileys on nye day then...

Wonderful!

	10-01-2004 05:21									#26
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It's great to have you back, NYE.

	10-01-2004 12:08									#27
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Welcome back NYE! :-D

We definitely should petition to get a :notyoueither: smilie.

Though to make it fair for all the veterans, we can't forget the : panag: smilie...

	10-01-2004 12:32									#28
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I'm very pleased to have NYE back

--Togas

	12-01-2004 08:08									#29
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welcome back notyoueither