13-01-2004 07:27									#61
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No one can **** with Patrick Swayze, C. Thomas Howell and Charlie Sheen. The Striker Warriors of the '80s, this bunch.

	13-01-2004 07:33									#62
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those boys whooped some commie azz

	13-01-2004 07:34									#63
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Word.

	13-01-2004 07:36									#64
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The Real Stryker warrior.



It, like the other "Striker warriors" is a hyped up POS

	13-01-2004 08:50									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos The Waffen SS, and try hard to grasp this as it doesn't fit in to your cookie cutter color coded coloring book world, did not just commint atrocities. They fought bravely and chivalrously for a cuase they truely believed.

Chivalrous means treating others with respect, having a sense of fair play, being considerate and courteous.

None of this applies to the SS.

The SS were cold-blooded killers. They were fanatics fighting for an obscene cause. There was nothing noble about what they did. There was nothing honourable or commendable.

Anyone who claims the SS were chivalrous, even sometimes chivalrous, either doesn't know the history of the SS or doesn't know the meaning of chivalry.

quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I do not think I have every seen someone so blatantly cut a quote to make it say what they want on this thread to the extent you just did.

Yeah right. I said the website claims the SS were chivalrous. The website, as you have shown, claims the SS were "sometimes chivalrous". Same diff.

	13-01-2004 09:08									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar It, like the other "Striker warriors" is a hyped up POS

Don't be jealous because you don'thave a kick azz posse like me.

And those Klingons you roll with at the Star Trek convention don't count either.


Actually most of the troops in Iraq seem to like the Striker vehicle. It may not have the most muscle but for the job it's been deployed for, it does well. It's also been "toughened up" since its deployment.

	13-01-2004 09:11									#67
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Serb better watch out for the wolverines. They took down that Cuban general.

	13-01-2004 09:13									#68
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Lonestar doesn't Roll with Klingons.

Lonestar rolls with the best!

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I thought it was cool as hell how the other Cuban Colonel let Patrick Swayze go at the end when he was carrying his dying brother off. That was like one of the coolest movie scenes ever.

	13-01-2004 09:37									#70
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Tisk Tisk Tingkai,

Steriotypes are nasty things, becaues I bet you can speak for every memeber of the SS, especially the ones drafted or pressed in.

The point of your comment was obvious, to paint the site and the author as an apologist. You took a statement and hacked off the beginning and end to yeild the little tidbit that suited you. Nevermind that the coherent idea portrayed there was to characterize the organization as a whole in a particular light. I think it is rather enlightned that he can take the TRUE accounts of good things the SS did and not use them to sugarcoat the whole organization in any revisionist manor. He said that those few things paled in comparison to the horrendous things they did and are not to be used as any redeeming trait.

Nobody is evil to the bone, and even the greatest monsters of history have been known to spontaneously and unexpectedly suprise you with some act of kindness of corrageousness. Usually the act is exagerated because of the contrast to the status quo, and serves to highlite the atrocities of that status quo. The white spot is quickly soaked by the surrounding blood.

You blatantly lied, and you were caught. It is even better that you tried to backtrack.

"Same diff."

Keep telling yourself that.

	13-01-2004 10:29									#71
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The baddest military hardware piece of ass ever was Demi Moore aka GI Jane. I prefer the enhanced breasts model.

	14-01-2004 08:33									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Alas, like all Russian equipment, it's poorly maintained and was no production model was able to match the "performance" ( ) of the prototypes....

But it scared your kitty to death.

	14-01-2004 09:15									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos You blatantly lied, and you were caught. It is even better that you tried to backtrack.

When you can't argue the facts, you resort to insults, eh.

As for backtracking, there's your claim the SS website "only lists figures that have concrete evidence. Even then when this is ambiguous or questinable he adds "?" to point this our."

So we have ambiguous and questionable facts backed by solid evidence. Yeah, right.

You claim that the SS were "sometimes chivalrous". Okay, prove it. Show us the cases where the Waffen-SS displayed a sense of fair play, where they were considerate and courteous to others.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Western Europeans No granted this is only the SS, but the Army was several times the size of the SS and thus probobly had in its rankes a much larger number than the Waffen SS.

Oh really? So, do you mean much more non-Germans served in Werhmacht than in SS?
I see now, you are an expert.

quote: I included the Western numbers because in the overall arguement of a Soviet/Allied war. Several hundred thousand western volunteers joined primarily to fight against the Bolsheviks, with an occupying power comitting attrocitites. US/UK could expect at least the same support or more.

Do you know how many people were in resistance? Millions. And in most of the cases they were lead by communists.

quote: Tehre were commnits in the West, but like most things Serb says, their power is exagerated.

And you tell me about an exaggerations? YOU who said that Soviets killed 15 times more than nazi.

quote: And the link.... WSSOB An interesting sight. You may want to avoid it Serb, as it has this annoying knack for telling the truth and then supporting it.

Why should I avoid it? Perhaps it says about 500 000-1 000 000 Russians in German army?
NO.
It says about aprox. 50 000 and also says they never participated in any battles as I claimed. So why should I avoid it?

	14-01-2004 11:54									#75
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quote: Originally posted by TCO Serb better watch out for the wolverines. They took down that Cuban general.

They looks like suckers.

	14-01-2004 11:55									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai You claim that the SS were "sometimes chivalrous". Okay, prove it. Show us the cases where the Waffen-SS displayed a sense of fair play, where they were considerate and courteous to others.

Read Black Edelweiss by Johan Voss.

	14-01-2004 11:59									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Tingkai

Red Army

Killed tens of thousands of LIthuanian civilians in East Prussia, including women and children, and raped every rapeable woman they could get their hands on on their way to Berlin.

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Let me guess...he is former SS ****, right?

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quote: Originally posted by Saras Red Army Killed tens of thousands of LIthuanian civilians in East Prussia, including women and children, and raped every rapeable woman they could get their hands on on their way to Berlin.

Bullsh!t.

	14-01-2004 12:02									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Let me guess...he is former SS ****, right?

He is. Why do you roll your eyes?

	14-01-2004 12:04									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Bullsh!t.

Not:

http://www.mlrt.lt/old/geneng.html

	14-01-2004 12:11									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Saras He is. Why do you roll your eyes?

Why anyone should believe to fairytales of former nazi, SS ****?

	14-01-2004 12:13									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Saras He is. Why do you roll your eyes?

So a former Waffen-SS writes a book claiming that he was a real nice guy, just an ordinary grunt. Yeah, right.

	14-01-2004 12:27									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Red Army Killed tens of thousands of LIthuanian civilians in East Prussia, including women and children, and raped every rapeable woman they could get their hands on on their way to Berlin.

Would you have preferred the Nazis winning?

Your comment distorts something that doesn't have to be distorted.

After seeing what the Germans did to the Russian people (eg murdering, raping, enslaving millions), the Russian soldiers went on a rampage when they entered East Prussia. Yes, they killed civilians, raped women of all ages.

As the Red Army advanced further into Germany, the killing and raping spree seems to have lessened, although it still happened on a routine basis. One estimate is that two million German women were raped in 1945.

But, remember that millions of Russian civilians were murdered by German troops. Naturally, Russian soldiers wanted vengence.

The Red Army turned into a mob when it entered Germany. While raping German women may be understandable given what the Germans did, although certainly not justifable, Russian soldiers also raped women who the Germans had enslaved, including Russians.

What separates the Germans and the Russians is that the Soviet government took steps to stop the rapes: through propaganda that urged soldiers to behave themselves and through military orders designed to curb the criminal acts. The Germans, on the other hand, actively encouraged crimes against humanity.

	14-01-2004 12:28									#86
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the bismarck, another one of those cool badazzez

	14-01-2004 13:10									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Not: http://www.mlrt.lt/old/geneng.html

I do not accept source such as: "One survivor wrote...blah...blah...blah...". I do not accpet source that talk about army of 2-nd Belarus front, but doesn't name the number of this army. I do not accept this ****ing fake.
What I do accept is official orders. Soviet leadership feared that Soldiers would start to avenge when they would enter Germany. I've read the order of "Stavka" which says that soldiers who commit crimes such as rape, murder, marauder, etc, should be shoot on site, without a trial. I've read this order with my own eyes, but unfortunately I can't find it in internet.

Btw, Saras, my gradfather (he died about year ago) who was a sergant of 2nd Guards Army, fought there and was wounded during Kenigsberg's seige.
I prefer to believe to him as eyewitness, not to this crap.
I've checked other section of this site. Comlete sh!t.
You would never get Kaliningrad. Keep dreaming.

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quote: Originally posted by Saras Red Army Killed tens of thousands of LIthuanian civilians in East Prussia, including women and children, and raped every rapeable woman they could get their hands on on their way to Berlin.

I have to agree with Saras here.
The Red Army is an abomination to humanity. Serb, I can't see how you could ever support it?

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That site is full of it.

It talks about a a Soviet policy of genocide against Lithuanians and then says "almost all of them were deported" to East Germany. Deportation does not equal genocide.

It also claims that 330,000 people died in East Prussia, but what it doesn't mention is that the Nazis refused to allow civilians to flee when the frontlines were nearing the cities. As a result of the Nazi policy, thousands of civilians died when they were caught in the crossfire.

	14-01-2004 13:25									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Serb This number is pure bullsh!t. Can you name me a single such unit and where it fought? I'm sure you can't.

Many served along the Atlantic wall, including a group of Whites who refused to surrender to anyone less than a General IIRC. I think some were with the German 352nd Division at Normandy. There were about a million volunteers, only a fraction of which were actually retained in a military capacity.