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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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 Only few seconds passed since thread was closed, nice work Vince
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Buddy, you dropped the hammer on inexperienced, ill-equipped (what with our total control of the sealanes) soldiers with the Rompin' Stompin' Russian Red Ass. |
Inexperienced? They fought vs. Chinese since end of 30's. It's not their fault that they were crushed so easily, because they had no chances to win against the best army in the world, as Soviet Army was in 1945.
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The Confederate Army, circa 1863 could have beat those yolkels. |
Why asking Soviets for help then?
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I think you guys would be in a much worse situation fighting the western Allies with no outside help then you would have been fighting Germany (and sitting out the mai phase of combat againest Japan) with our help. |
Why? In Europe, in 1945, aside 1941 in Russia, the numbers were 3:1 in our favour (iirc), and we were MUCH experienced and MUCH more prepared than we were in 1941.
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No one. But it is a safe assumption to make.
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Why?
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Well, then we throw in Canada, the Dakotas, peeps in the Sierra Nevada, Maine, etc....we could probaly scrape togather 100 million civilians who live in those areas. |
If you needed 3 years to invade Europe with 2,5 millions or so troops, then I guess it would take another 50 years to re-locate those people to Europe.
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More to the point, we could scraped togather several ten thousand Pershing MBTs which, if not exactly the T-34, were more than a match for late model German panzers. |
Good for you, but in 1945 we already had shitloads of JS-3 which remained world's best tank long time after the war.
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AECCP Dark Lord of the Sith
Aug 2000
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Originally posted by Serb
Why asking Soviets for help then?
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Why not?
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Why? In Europe, in 1945, aside 1941 in Russia, the numbers were 3:1 in our favour (iirc), and we were MUCH experienced and MUCH more prepared than we were in 1941.
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So? Your logistics were still in shambles (relative to the western allies), and we had as many people on the ground as the Red Army did. Not to mention, when we did push into Eastern Europe and the SSSR, we souldn't go around killing people for sh*ts and giggles, which might make the instances of partisan warfare go down. (assume we don't say "F--k it" and toast Moscow)
Because we were the ones who smashed the Luftwaffe, not you, and we were the ones with the better planes and pilots (Except for that damn "Stormcrow"...damn flying tanks)
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If you needed 3 years to invade Europe with 2,5 millions or so troops, then I guess it would take another 50 years to re-locate those people to Europe.
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Except now the mainland is secure, and we have, oh, ports and a free line across the North Atlantic.
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Good for you, but in 1945 we already had shitloads of JS-3 which remained world's best tank long time after the war. |
Which we could counter with numbers, and blast apart with our air superiority. Plus, then you'd run outta oil.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:33
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Why not? |
Because you said that CSA army could have beat those yolkels easily.
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So? Your logistics were still in shambles (relative to the western allies), and we had as many people on the ground as the Red Army did. Not to mention, when we did push into Eastern Europe and the SSSR, we souldn't go around killing people for sh*ts and giggles, which might make the instances of partisan warfare go down. (assume we don't say "F--k it" and toast Moscow) |
1) Our logistics weren't in shambles.
2) You had much longer supply route.
3) You didn't have as many people in the Europe in 1945 as Soviet Army had. Numbers were 3:1 in our favour, iirc.
4) The partisan warfare would not started in SU (you would never reach it btw,), but in Europe itself. Commies were quite popular in Europe after the war. For example, one of French ministers who was a commie, perhaps defense minister, not really sure and don't remember his name, said if Allies dow Soviets, then we'll fight against Allies.
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Because we were the ones who smashed the Luftwaffe, not you, and we were the ones with the better planes and pilots (Except for that damn "Stormcrow"...damn flying tanks) |
1) You smashed Luftwaffe?
2) As for planes and pilots superiority, you had a chance to test Soviet pilots in Korean war.
3) This "Stormcrow" is IL-2 "Shturmovik"
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Except now the mainland is secure, and we have, oh, ports and a free line across the North Atlantic. |
You would be thrown to ocean within few months.
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Which we could counter with numbers, and blast apart with our air superiority. |
1) Soviets produced more tanks then USA.
2)Keep dreaming about air superiority
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Plus, then you'd run outta oil |
Why is that?
We weren't in shortage of oil, but we could capture Persia, Iraq and Suez to make life a bit spicy for you and Brits.
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:33
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Well, when you line up how the Western Allies treated Occupation, and how the Nazis (and NKVD) treated the Soviets...who do you think the locals are going to prefer?
Remember, between 500k and a million Soviets voluntered to serve with the German army. On the Western front we snagged thousands of Russians serving in German units, whom we had to send to certain death cause otherwise Stalin wouldn't return POWs liberated from Camps out east. |
This number is pure bullsh!t. Can you name me a single such unit and where it fought? I'm sure you can't.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:33
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Vlasov's "army" (I hardly can't see how those 50K volunteered to fight Soviets, because they were POWs) never participated in any battles. 500 000-1000 000 its absolutely ridiculous figure.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:33
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This is the worls' most powerful handgun.
Stechkin's automatic pistol. (Arnie's favorite in "Red Heat")
 Attachment: stechkin.jpg
This has been downloaded 109 time(s).
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Mordoch
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Denver, Colorado
Jan 2002
time: 05:33
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Originally posted by Serb
This is the worls' most powerful handgun.
Stechkin's automatic pistol. (Arnie's favorite in "Red Heat") |
It depends on what defition you're talking about. With regards to individual stopping power of a single bullet, the Desert Eagle .50 A.E.'s 50mm bullets have far more stopping power with over 5 time the mass of the Stechkin's 9mm bullets.
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